Ten Car Buying Tips to Getting a Great Deal
After driving the same family car for the last 7 years, my wife and I decided it was time to get a new car that provided better fuel efficiency and some of the nice to have modern features. Not having bought a car for quite some time meant that I had to extensively research the market for the car we wanted, figure out price ranges and to sharpen my negotiation skills for getting the best deal I could. After a few months of passive and active searching, test drives and negotiating my wife and I finally found the car we wanted and got a great deal based on equivalent comparisons (saved over 20%!). Here are some of my real life tips that can hopefully be beneficial to you when looking for your next car. Some may be unconventional, but they all work!
1. Buy from a big (giant) dealership. They have the inventory and they make their money with volume. Small dealerships depend on higher profit per car – which doesn't help you. This is especially the case with new cars.
2. Buy from inventory. If it is sitting on their lot, they want to sell it. After all, they are paying fees (interest) to the manufacturer until the car gets sold.
3. Buy at the end of the month. The dealerships turn in their "numbers" at the end of the month. All their bonuses, kickbacks, etc., are based on their monthly sales numbers. Therefore, dealerships are willing to sell a few extra cars – at big discounts – at the end of the month, because of the potential volume bonuses.
4. Buy on a rainy day. Since you are the only person in the dealership (nobody likes to go shopping when it is pouring rain), they will be eager to do a deal.
5. Don't trade-in your car. It makes negotiating that much more difficult. Sell your used car to a private party or sell it to Carmax. You will get – more or less – the same amount for it. Dealerships make more money from used cars than new cars. Why? Because they lowball you on the trade-in price, put a couple hundred into making the car look new, then sell it for a $2,000 to $3,000 profit.
6. Be careful with the Finance Guy/Gal (F&I). His/her primary job is to "up-sell". In other words, to get you to buy all the extras: warranties, accessories, add-ons, etc. Plus dealerships get kickbacks from banks for sending financing business their way. Therefore, get you own financing from your bank or a credit union. The only exception to this rule is the subsidized financing (0% for 5 years, etc.) that is sometimes offered. But you better have exceptional credit to get this kind of financing in today's market.
7. Don't negotiate the monthly payment. There are too many variables to consider when negotiating the monthly payment: length of loan, sales price, interest rate, etc. Negotiate on one number only – the final sales price. You should be able to get anywhere from 10% to 15% off the sticker price - more if the model you are looking at, nobody else wants (like a Hummer H2 when gas is $4 plus per gallon).
8. Try not to get frustrated and impatient – the saving will be worth the time spent. If you want the "best" price, it may take several hours. Dealerships are not in the business to lose money, so they will try every trick in the book to squeeze a profit from the deal. Unfortunately, even if you go to the dealership and say, "I want to buy that 2008 Acura MDX, base, Silver…I will give you $36,000"; a salesman will not be allowed to approve the deal. It will need to go through several "layers" of management until the deal can be finalized. But if you do your research and stick to your "guns", you will get the deal, especially if you have used the Internet and various car sites (like kbb.com and edmunds.com) to find out a realistic market price. Once you find the "invoice price" on the Internet, take off an additional 3%. We all know that dealerships get kickbacks, often called holdbacks. Holdbacks and other incentives make the true cost to the dealership lower than the invoice price.
9. Do not "engage" the salesman when asked about the price. Here is what is going to happen. In order to "throw you off your game", the salesman will question your offer: "Where did you get that price"…."I can't do that price, I will loose money"…."Nobody in town is going to sell you that car for that price"…"What is a thousand dollars more to get this beautiful car today". These tactics are distractions to make you question (doubt) yourself. Remember, you did the research. Use an excuse if necessary, it takes the heat off of you. For example: "My wife will not let me spend more than $36,000 on this Acura MDX. If you can't do the deal, she wants me to buy the Toyota Highlander".
10. Remember, it's just a car. If the dealership will not do the deal, just walk away. No harm, no foul. But, trust me, the big dealerships will do the deal on all but their most desirable vehicles. Don't walk into a dealership expecting to get the limited edition Porsche at a discount. You will know the leverage you have over the dealership by the number of cars on the lot. If there are 50 Acura MDXs sitting on the lot, you have the power…they need to get rid of them.
With high gas prices and a weak economy it is a buyers markets today. So make sure you do your homework and negotiate for the best deal possible, because there are real savings to be had. Feel free to leave a comment if you have any more useful car buying tips.
See a follow up discussion on this topic : Can women get a better deal on cars?
This was an edited post by regular s2i contributor Tony Parker, an experienced investor and fellow personal finance aficionado.
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September 9, 2008 10:18 AM
Great tips. I just used some of these tactics recently.
"negotiate on sales price" - the best advice!
September 9, 2008 11:48 AM
Nice Tips. One thing I would mention. Many tips dealing with cars only deal with new cars.
One of the best deals you will ever get on a car is to buy one used.
Cars have a longer life than ever before. They also depreciate a great deal in the first 1-3 years.
I highly recommend Consumer Reports to know what cars are the most reliable, safe, have the best ride, etc. An even better bargain -Certain cars depreciate more than there safety and reliability would predict. Ford Taurus and Hyundai Elantra/Sonata are examples.
September 9, 2008 3:14 PM
My tips: (1) Avoid the salesman; (2) avoid the finance nazi; (3) log on to cars.com; (4) find a nice three year old car; (5) pay cash; (6) enjoy your victory over impulse shopping for a depreciating asset.
September 9, 2008 11:20 PM
As a past car salesman I have seen all the tips above. The one that I recommend is that people do the research before coming into the dealership so that they can make a serious offer. Just remember that car salesman, often working on minimum wage and commission also need to make a living. If they don't make a profit they can lose their jobs. Most sales people are more interested in making the sale (future referrals and sales) rather than just trying to ripoff the customer.
September 10, 2008 9:24 AM
@ pt - Thanks, I also enjoyed your recent Q&A post on buying a new or used car. I recommend readers to check it out as a follow on from this post. Also, thanks for stumbling this post first. It generated a number of other "stumbles" which resulted in a nice traffic boost.
@ tom : You make some good points. The thrust of this post was more from a new car perspective, but could be easily applied to buying used cars. The new vs used choice has a number of additional factors to consider like your budget, how long you want the car for, warranty etc. Consumer reports is a great magazine and I agree it is worth checking out before buying any major item. You can get a free copy at your local library.
@ Mr TML - Call me old fashioned, but when I am shelling out more than $30K (over time) for a purchase, I like to see and touch what I am getting. Face to face contact is important espically to get an idea of what after sales service you will get (for new cars espically). If you are very comfortable making large online purchases, then power to you and I think you can save some serious money. I prefer doing my research online and then going for a real life test drive. Call me old fashioned! A car is a depreciating asset but necessary for work/life where I live (because of the lack of deent public transport - another issue for another post).
@ mj. Fair point. Most of the sales people I have dealt with were pretty cool and professional. I find the larger dealerships want to keep their reputation so don't purposely try and rip you off, unlike some small used car lots.
September 12, 2008 3:02 PM
Very good post - the key to it is your last point "walk away". Don't fall in love with a car or a car dealer will smell it and then prey on it. I got sold on "somebody else is coming in later to buy this car" when I bought my first one, which I clearly made obvious that I loved it. Bad mistake, and I paid for it. Walking away is your best weapon as they want your business too!
September 20, 2008 12:41 AM
Great article. These are very helpful tips and can save a lot of money. The car dealers no the game and are good at trying to confuse you. Get your loan approved before seeing the dealer so you are only talking about final price
October 28, 2008 9:18 PM
This is great. Now I can save money for extra parts on my deal. Like a cool headlights or any mods I can put.
November 15, 2008 11:29 AM
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February 20, 2009 1:35 AM
These are really helpful and useful tips and I'm sure I can use these the next time I'm gonna buy a car.
March 14, 2009 5:26 PM
being a buyer's market right now, new cars are only a couple thousands more then used cars... so if you're looking for a car mind as well spend a couple thousand more for a new one... ive been looking for weeks and the best thing ive found used is at carmax (an 07' 2 door honda accord coupe for 16K) but ive been getting quotes from honda dealerships for brand new 09 accord sedans for 19K
March 19, 2009 10:19 PM
Avoid the F&I guy like the plague, unless you want to spend 45 minutes explaining why you won't pay an extra $85 for premium floor mats.
Great list!
June 6, 2009 6:31 PM
Nice!!! Thanks.
June 18, 2009 7:19 PM
Two things I did, to ensure a good price on both of my cars I bought was. Print out the Kelly Blue Book Trade in Value of your car, and the private party value. There is often a pretty big number difference. When they get your car, they are going to sell it for just over the private party value. So, essentially your car is worth X dollars and they are going to only give you X dollars less. You know what your car is worth. So get that, or close. They cant deny paper facts. Most dealerships also use KBB to show you what your trade in value is. So, making sure you are on the same page, is a good start.
Also, the car you want, find out on KBB what it retails for new. Know what the fair price is for it, and know your top dollar. Make sure you know exactly how much you can spend on a car. Not the payment.. but the car. Because they can always work you into a longer loan to make the payment. But the you dont want that. You are paying more money over time. You are also going to be even MORE upside down the second you drive that car off the lot.
So, make sure, you have your paper print outs. I had bought a new OZ Rally Lancer in 02, and it was an 03. Brand new. I knew what I wanted, I printed off the price online. Of course the sticker price was thousands more. I payed $500 more than the Mitsu online price, and about $4000 less off the sticker. I was only 22 then, went in as a girl, by myself. I was pretty proud. Traded that in for a Volvo years later, and they paid off my loan, and gave me $900 more than what I owed on that car. It completely payed off doing research and knowing EXACTLY what you want, before you even step foot on to the lot!
~Heather
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October 13, 2009 3:14 PM
Small New car dealers pay the SAME cost as big new car dealers. Look it up it is a federal law...The Monroney label law.....the average profit per unit sold is the same at either store big or small. The big dealers say they make it up in volume..untrue the records are clear...same profit per unit sold the small stores operate on considerabely lower overhead....your negotiating tactics are fine if a bit naive...the best way to get a great deal on a car is to do your homework....knowledge is power....but wether the dealer is big or small is immaterial.....