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No Second Stimulus Check in 2009 or 2010. $800/$400 Making Work Pay and $250 Social Security Tax Credits Instead. Eligibility and Missing Payments  

[September 2009 - Updated with recent IRS information] The details of the making work pay credit and one time economic recovery (social security) payment are provided below with a number of frequently asked questions. These tax credits were part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and provide:

- A refundable tax credit of up to $400 for working individuals and up to $800 for married taxpayers filing joint returns. This tax credit will be calculated at a rate of 6.2 percent of earned income and will phase out for taxpayers with modified adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000, or $150,000 for married couples filing jointly. Taxpayers who do not have taxes withheld by an employer during the year can also claim the credit on their 2009 tax return.

- A one-time economic recovery payment of $250 in 2009 to retirees and disabled people receiving Social Security benefits. The making work pay tax credit ($400 or $800) will be reduced by $250 if you are eligible for both credits or special credits for certain government retirees. The one-time economic recovery payment will not count as income for SSI.

[Update] President Obama recently announced an Extra $250 Social Security Stimulus Payment in 2010 for Retirees, Veterans and the Disabled.

Note: The Making working Pay $400/$800 credit is being paid by the IRS (via adjusted withholding tables for employers), while the $250 social security payment is being paid out by the SSA.

Most qualified wage earners should already have or be receiving the making work pay credit, which was typically handled by their employers through automated withholding changes in May 2009. For the making work pay credit, this would be reflected with a larger paycheck as a result of the changes made to the federal income tax withholding tables (see irs.gov) . Some people may find that the changes built into the withholding tables result in less tax being withheld than they required and should update their W4 forms (via their HR or payroll depts).

If you're not eligible for the Making Work Pay tax credit, withholding changes could mean a smaller refund next spring. A limited number of people, including those who usually receive very small refunds, could in some situations owe a small amount rather than receiving a refund. Those who should pay particular attention to their withholding include:

Pensioners do not qualify for the Making Work Pay credit, unless they receive earned income. However, because the February withholding tables also apply to pensioners, the IRS has provided pension plans with an optional adjustment procedure. If you are a pensioner with questions about your withholding, contact your pension plan administrator.

Married couples with two incomes or Individuals with multiple jobs - The additional credits may require you to increase your withholdings in order to avoid penalties for tax liabilities in the subsequent year (for underpaid tax obligations). Review your pay check and check the IRS' updated withholding calculator.

Social Security recipients who work - Your employer may pay you the fill amount of the making work pay credit, but you should ensure that your withholding is adjusted by $250 for the one-time economic recovery payment you are also entitled to.

Self-employed individuals can also benefit now from the Making Work Pay tax credit by evaluating their expected income tax liability, allowing for this tax credit if they are eligible, and making the appropriate adjustment in the amount of their regularly scheduled estimated tax payments.

What to do if you have not received these payments

If you have not received the making work pay credit, contact your employers payroll department. They can work with you on your eligibility and ensure your pay is adjusted accordingly. The $250 economic recovery payment will be delivered in the same way your current Social Security or SSI benefit is sent. The Social Security Administration (SSA) reports that everyone who is entitled to the $250 payment should have received it by late May 2009. If you have not received it, make sure you visit the SSA website and follow up via the provided phone numbers.
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[Updated May 14 2009] The President has now signed the massive $787 billion economic stimulus package into law. Unfortunately the tax credits (detailed below) that were part of the "Making work Pay" program were cut in the final bill by about $2 Billion. The income tax credit has dropped by $100 and $200 respectively, so that it would now total $400 for individuals and $800 for couples (paid in 2009 and 2010), phasing out completely at $190,000 for couples filing jointly and $95,000 for single filers. Because the credit is refundable (people can get it even if they owe no tax), most low-income workers will also qualify for the full credit. You can calculate your credit by taking 6.2 percent of your earned income (and subtract it from the other federal taxes you owe).

This claw back of the working tax credit has been partially offset by a $70 billion provision to protect millions of middle-class Americans from having to pay the alternative minimum tax in 2009. The amount of exempt income is increased to $46,700 for single filers, up from $46,200 in 2008. And for married couples filing joint returns, it rises to $70,950 from $69,950.

How the Credit will be Paid: If you're eligible, your payroll administrator will make the withholding adjustment automatically and thereby increase your take-home pay. The average worker will see this tax credit in the form of a $13 bump in weekly paychecks starting in early Spring 2009. You may prefer not to adjust your withholding amount and can get your stimulus in a lump sum payment as a tax refund when you file your 2009 taxes.

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Key IRS Rulings : The IRS has now provided more information on this tax credit and there are some important points to note:

The amount of the credit received must be reported on the employee's 2009 income tax return filed in 2010. Taxpayers who do not have taxes withheld by an employer during the year can also claim the credit on their 2009 tax return.

It is not necessary to submit a Form W-4 to get the automatic withholding change. However, an employee with multiple jobs or married couples whose combined incomes place them in a higher tax bracket may elect to submit a revised W-4 to ensure enough withholding is held to cover the tax for his or her combined income

The benefit will generally be spread out over the paychecks they receive beginning this spring and continue until the end of the year. Many higher-income taxpayers will see little or no change in their take-home pay. That’s because the Making Work Pay credit is phased out for a married couple filing a joint return whose modified adjusted gross income (AGI) is between $150,000 and $190,000 and other taxpayers whose modified AGI is between $75,000 and $95,000.

Taxpayers will not get a separate, special check mailed to them from the IRS like last year’s economic stimulus payment.

Pensioners do not qualify for the Making Work Pay credit, unless they receive earned income. See below for the $250 Social security payment they will qualify for.

Self-employed individuals can also benefit now from the Making Work Pay tax credit by evaluating their expected income tax liability, allowing for this tax credit if they are eligible, and making the appropriate adjustment in the amount of their regularly scheduled estimated tax payments.

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Per the 150+ comments on this post, there are still some details and special situations that need to be resolved by the IRS. I will update as more information comes to hand and also post the latest payment schedule when published.

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$250 Social Security Payment and Working Credit: I also received some questions regarding whether this payment would be available to otherwise qualified retirees or disabled people who are also social security recipients. The answer is that it will, but in a reduced fashion. Because there is another provision in the overall stimulus bill of a one-time payment of $250 in 2009 to retirees and disabled people receiving Social Security benefits, the $400 income-tax credit (rebate) will be reduced by $250. To clarify: You get the $250 SS credit (which will distributed as an additional payment) plus a reduced $150 working tax credit (total is still $400).

Update to $250 SSI payment: The Social Security Administration (SSA) reports that everyone who is entitled to the $250 payment should receive it by late May 2009. No action is required on your part. They are currently working on the details regarding it will be issued to nearly 55 million beneficiaries. Note: The Making working Pay $400/$800 credit is being paid by the IRS, while the $250 social security payment is being paid out by the SSA. The one-time economic recovery payment will not count as income for SSI.

To receive payment, the beneficiary’s address of record must be in a valid US state or territory. Only individuals eligible for Social Security, SSI, Veterans, or Railroad Retirement benefits at any time during the months of November 2008, December 2008, or January 2009 may be eligible for the one-time payment. The $250 payment will be delivered in the same way your current Social Security or SSI benefit is sent.


[Further Reading on Stimulus Payments]
See this article for a summary of all the key tax breaks in the final economic stimulus package. For all the key stimulus payment dates see this post or these articles for details on the specific stimulus tax credits and deductions:

[Update Feb 3 2009] One of the most common questions/comments I get is around how Obama's 2009 stimulus tax rebate be paid. While the 2009 stimulus has not been approved by the Senate (due to vote this week), the following is my understanding for payment of the tax credit.

Workers- You can get the tax credit through adjustments in the federal tax withholding on your paycheck. This will result in an increase in your take home pay of between $10 and $20 based on your tax rate. The tax rebate is also available as a lump sump rebate in your 2009 and 2010 tax returns.

Unemployed or Disabled - If you do not have a job, the best way to get the tax rebate is to actually file a tax return, even if you do not owe taxes. The IRS (irs.gov) has provided special filing instructions for those who do not otherwise have a filing requirement. This includes low-income workers, Social Security beneficiaries, and those who receive certain benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs

2007/2008 Stimulus payments - The Bush administration did mail out stimulus checks last year and many people did not claim their share or didn't qualify. If you didn't get an economic stimulus payment in 2008, you may be eligible to receive the recovery rebate credit in 2009. See the 2008 tax forms or use automated tax software (such as turbo tax) to determine your eligibility.

I will update the above payment options for the 2009 tax rebate as more information comes to hand.

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[Update Jan 29 2009] The House of Representatives approved the $819 billion economic stimulus plan by a 244-188 majority. The Republicans (GOP) did not support the bill, as President Obama had hoped. The bill now heads to the Senate, with a goal of getting it signed into law on President's day [February 16]. Democrats hold an effective 58-41 majority in the Senate, so the bill should get passed and the $1000/$500 stimulus tax credits made available shortly after that, via the methods detailed below.

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this article for details on Obama's complete American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan/Package.

[Update Jan 26 2009] The Senate and the House are currently debating the economic stimulus package and included rebates. The House version of Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax credit would give workers making $75,000 per year or less the full $500 tax credit; couples with incomes up to $150,000 a year would receive a $1,000 credit. The plan would also provide a temporary $2,500 tax credit to help pay for college. It would boost the earned income tax credit for low-income workers and permit them to receive the entire $1,000 per child tax credit as a refund in 2009-10 if they make as little as $8,500 a year and wouldn't otherwise qualify. As expected, Republicans are fighting the extra spending on the Stimulus and TARP packages, but they should clear both get congressional approval by President's day next month (Feb 16th).

In a recent poll on this site, 80% of respondents said that the next economic stimulus check would be mailed out by March 2009. Unfortunately they were wrong on two counts. Firstly, there is no second economic stimulus check. Rather the Obama administration plans to hand out tax rebates to approximately 150 million workers making less than $200,000. The tax breaks would be worth $500 for individuals and $1,000 for couples. Secondly, any relief for consumers won’t be available till March/April at the earliest as the new President tries to get his near $800 Billion stimulus package (over 2 years) through congress.

President Obama’s advisers said that they were searching for a way to get that credit into Americans’ pockets quickly to help stimulate spending, but would not duplicate the rebate checks sent last year. Instead the administration plans to include about $300 billion in tax cuts, or 40% of the total economic recovery program (stimulus package), for workers and businesses. The tax cuts would be implemented by altering tax-withholding rules, so that workers would see an immediate increase in their take-home pay.

Senior Democrat officials have acknowledged that the economic package would not be ready for President Obama’s signature immediately after his inauguration on Jan. 20, as they once hoped. Instead it will be heavily scrutinized by house and senate members to ensure bipartisan support of the package. Proponents of more government spending (via fiscal policies) have said that additional delays will send the economy into a depression by mid-year if no action is taken as soon as the new President is sworn in, and want the stimulus package to be even larger.

Republicans, who have generally opposed further stimulus packages and rebate checks, favor tax relief and tax credits as part of the economic measure and said Congress should consider reducing the 25 percent income tax rate to 15 percent. The Obama administration has also pulled back on its campaign rhetoric to increase taxes for the rich by not trying to repeal Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans sooner (they are due to expire in 2010).

Overall, I think the Obama administration is right in its efforts to focus on job creation and stimulating the economy over the long term. I also agree that issuing stimulus or rebate checks (even if there were near $5000 as initially rumoured) would have done little in the medium to long term to revive economic growth. It would have been a populist, short term impact, move which I am glad the Obama administration has decided not to pursue. Tax cuts are a better solution, and will also help win support from congressional Republicans to ensure the ultra-large stimulus package is passed sooner rather than later.

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148 comments

  • Curt  
    January 5, 2009 12:19 PM

    Tax cuts are a better solution - only if they are followed by massive government program cuts, rather then increasing the national debt and pushing the dollar closer to the edge of the cliff.

    And that is going to be very hard (perhaps impossible) for a liberal president to do, who is pro-government expansion.

    Therefore, if the tax cuts are not followed with government spending cuts, then they will only make the problem worse and lead the economy into a much deeper recession and push the dollar over the cliff.

  • Kyle  
    January 5, 2009 1:46 PM

    My opinion is we're screwed no matter what we do. If the private sector can't pull us out of this, I don't see anything the government can do about it.

  • Anonymous  
    January 6, 2009 7:16 AM

    THE PEOPLE CHANGE, BUT THINGS REMAIN THE SAME. SAME OLD LYIES FROM EACH PRESIDENT. HE JUMPS ON THE STIMULUS CHECK WAGON AND RIDES ON INTO THE WHITE HOUSE JUST TO ABANDON IT WHEN HE'S SETTLED IN.

  • Anonymous  
    January 6, 2009 8:22 PM

    I am an unemployed licensed school teacher in NC and realize we may be going down the inevitable path to depression.

    Maybe we all would be better if corporations went bust and "mom and pop" shops open up, then instead of employee ID numbers we'd have names again and be a people!

  • Andy  
    January 7, 2009 7:50 PM

    Curt - I think Obama is not even thinking about cutting government spending as he has put reviving the economy (at all costs) ahead of longer term debt issues. The Fed's printing presses are going to be working day and night printing more US$.

    Kyle - Bleak scenario, but I do not disagree. I think it will take time to work through the whole mess. The only hope is that government action speeds up the recovery.

    Anon - Yep. That's politics. But I think Obama had no choice given the worsening economic conditions. But as always, never believe everything a politican says. No matter how smoothly they say it.

    Anon 2 - I think the consequences of what you could say would be much worse (anarchy almost). Mom and Pop shops still need consumers to spend money, for which you need jobs. Corporations and the government are the biggest employers in the nation.

  • Anonymous  
    January 13, 2009 3:14 PM

    The sound of government giving me money is great, I mean I've definitely paid in my share, however, what is this supposed to accomplish? Give me $500 and the first stop is going to be WalMart and stock up on house supplies and groceries and this and that. I'm not gonna go make a payment to the credit card company that I'm thousands in debt to b/c frankly, what good is it gonna do considering the interest they charge...nothing! To our "educated" politicians...wake the hell up. You shouldn't be bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, you should be bailing out the consumers that these two corporate giants put in the whole to begin with. You want to boost American economy then you better start handing out thousands to each household. Our economy is not made up of retailers. You shipped all those jobs over to China, remember? Our economy is made of credit card companies and mortgage companies, so us consumers need big bucks to boost this economy. Stop giving the bailouts at the top of the chain...you have to start at the bottom with us little people first. If you gave me $20,000, I'd be out of debt and probably getting myself into more. I mean, this is what you have to do if you really want to BOOST the economy. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and our money boosting China's economy.

  • Liz  
    January 14, 2009 8:46 AM

    Honestly, what is $500/$1000 going to do for people? Allow them to pay off one bill? Go grocery shopping for two weeks worth of decent groceries, instead of living off of Ramen noodles? $500 is going towards home heating oil to finish out the rest of the winter...and that will take the entire $500. That's all it will do for me, and then I'll immediately be back to square one again. No change in my situation.

    How about if you provide a severe tax cut in my paycheck every week...not just for a week or two...I'm talking for like 6 months to a year or so. Give people the money they need to make the payments they need to make. By doing so, these lenders will get their money back. Make changes to the crooks at financial institutions charging ridiculous interest rates. It is those thieves that do not allow people a REAL chance to pay their debts off reasonably.

    By giving a longer tax cut over time...and I'm not talking $10/week or anything...I'm talking like $100-$200 every pay check for an extended period of time. By doing so, you're allowing people to still be responsible and pay their debts. The companies are getting their money back, which will allow them to stay in business and lend back to others.

    People right now are struggling for the necessities. Only throw a couple hundred bucks at them, all they are going to take care of are the necessities - temporary things (food, toilet paper, etc.) Everyone is SO tied up with bills at this time, who has the extra money to spend? Give people the chance to pay things off and get into a good place financially. Yes, will you have people that will still be financially irresponsible afterwards, yes. But you will also have a lot of people who learned a lot. You will have a lot of people who have gotten their credit together with the help of extended tax relief, which will allow them to get lower interest rates, which will allow them to be able to afford the things they put on credit. Let people get to a good place so that they can put spending back into their weekly budget...so, that they can go to Target and spend $100 on just "stuff" because they have it. Or so that they can pay off that credit card bill and then not have a monthly payment anymore, which will open up money to be spent and put into the economy.

  • Liz  
    January 14, 2009 9:01 AM

    In addition...I think about the people who are running large corporations that are making millions of dollars. I'm certain they are losing money at the stock market themselves...but how many of them have bitten the bullet...taken one for the team...and maybe taken a pay cut themselves to possibly save someone's job?

    I dont know about you, but my bring home is a little less than $3000/month...and I make decent money. I see all of these jobs being lost...and some of them at in the $10-$15/hour range. Come on -- you tell me that some of these business owners and CEOs of big companies aren't willing to take a pay cut themselves to save a few jobs? What is a $15/salary to them? What they probably make in a month, these people make in less than a week.

    A friend of mine in Balitmore who works for the University of Baltimore was told that she has to take X amount of days in the beginning of 2009 unpaid to help with the state's financial problems. I'm wondering - what is the governor or Maryland doing? Is he taking his unpaid days too?

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe some of these highly paid executives should do their part for the greater good and take a small pay cut to help save jobs for their people. Maybe they have to actually go to the grocery store and cook food as opposed to eating out every night to compensate for the smaller income. Maybe they have to keep their BMW for an extra year as opposed to buying a new car two years later!

  • Anonymous  
    January 14, 2009 6:07 PM

    How about the American Public gets bailed out! Enough of these fiscally unsound companies get billions upon billions of dollars to do what with? I work in the financial industry. No one and I mean no one is lending money, yet these "major" banks have been doled out all this money. Makes you wonder were the money is going.

    How about the government bails "us" out. Every US citizen above the age of 18 gets what they made last year, W2 or 1099, and cant claim a teax return for the next 3 years. Sounds like a good plan to me. Put control of this country back in the hands of the people. What it cost to bail out AIG is in the ballpark of what it would cost to do that. 80-90 billion.

    I know I am struggling immensly due to this, I used to be able to pay my bills on time all the time evry month. Due to this wonderful economy, I am behind on every bill, car, house, credit cards etc.
    I used to make 70-80k a year, not anymore.

    Something along those lines needs to be like yesterday, but having faith in our esteemed government to do that would cause me to be called a fool. Folks get ready to revisit the great depression our grandparents told us all about, because its knocking at all of our doors.

  • Anonymous  
    January 22, 2009 11:06 AM

    In all fairness a stimulus check
    covers the broader range of lower income and individual taxpayers.,Giving a tax credit excludes, veterans, SS recipients, the unemployed, and those who do not file, Change is encompassing all the masses,
    Not a select few.!

  • Anonymous  
    January 23, 2009 4:22 PM

    hey! how about us poor souls, widows, who live on social security alone, stayed home to raise our own kids! i dont pay taxes, so, where does that leave me when every one else getting tax breaks instead of a check?????

  • Anonymous  
    January 23, 2009 11:38 PM

    To all the people that wrote in I do understand what you are saying.

    Now, to the point I was injured on the job and now can't find work because of a hiring freeze. There fore, tax cuts and stimulus checks won't help much. I am well over 75,000 dollars in debt with house payments and such. Credit card companies are after me and hospitals,doctors, etc. so this tax cut will not help. Stimulus check might bring me out a little but,it has to be a big check.

  • Anonymous  
    January 24, 2009 8:22 AM

    When are the common people going to get a break? I am retired and living on social security only. I worked for over 50 years paying federal income tax, into social security, state taxes, local taxes and gas taxes. I'm not getting any tax breaks because I do not have any other income now and really need a stimulus check. By the way I am still paying gas taxes, sales taxes and taxes on anything else I have to buy.

  • Anonymous  
    January 24, 2009 11:13 AM

    i think its all bull!they promise you this n that and then they get elected and boom,they forgot about everything they promised you! chatter

  • chatter  
    January 24, 2009 11:14 AM

    last year the checks we got,well nobody got the ammount they were promised!

  • Anonymous  
    January 24, 2009 10:34 PM

    IF everything goes well to whatever obama promised when he was promising things this yr and boost the economy ill vote for him secondterm..ive never voted to anything even for presidency..its my way of saying lets see what u got if u fu*ked up shooting blanks..NEXT!

  • Anonymous  
    January 25, 2009 1:42 PM

    What about the disabled parents who still have underage children. With that being our only income. We don't qualify for EIC. And the welfare is a joke on getting help. By their guidelines, we make TOO MUCH to qualify. In one way or another, We ALL still pay taxes.

    Disabled Parent!!

  • Anonymous  
    January 25, 2009 5:00 PM

    If the census bureau is correct, then there are a little over three million people in the u.s., including children, illegal aliens (yes, they count them) and so on. If the government was truly concerned with the economy and Main Street being helped, why not give the money to the legaltaxpayers who need it? Even if they were to give 500,000 to each working man and woman or those who have worked (if you have social security retirement or disability you still qualify), it still wouldn't have added up to the 350 billion they handed ou the first time to those big corporations who aren't lending it back out. It did nothing to help those people who were losing their homes, why weren't the mortgage lenders made to refinance those loans or get no bailout? It's still not doing anything for those of us who aren't within the top ten percent of the wealthy. The money, had they given it out, would have most likely (at least in my case) paid off my mortgage, credit card(s), car & truck paid off, and still had some left to invest, whether it be in land or whatever. Yes, there are those out there who would have "blown" the money, but yet again,, it would have gone into the struggling economy, wouldn't it? Sometimes, politicians have to think like real people with real problems and bills. If you don't have it to spend, don't buy it. This nation has become one of I want it and I want it now, leading to one of the largest debt to earnings ratio in history. Now the government is doing the same.
    As far as the welfare system, it needs a complete overhaul. Many are riding it for as long as they can. I work in retail, and for the most part, the ones that come in with food stamps are as follows:
    they drive better cars,
    they have more jewelry,
    their hair is always done,
    their nails are always done,
    they almost ALWAYS have a cell phone or blue tooth they are talking on,
    and they can afford to buy the groceries I can't.
    What happened to welfare being a hand up and not a hand out? Used to be, you had to sell practically everything you had before you could even qualify for a dime, then there were the "home visits" where they made sure you didn't have anything...but that's another blog, isn't it?

  • Anonymous  
    January 25, 2009 7:40 PM

    OK.... NOW WHAT ABOUT THE SINGLE PERSON.. WE PAY THE MOST IN TAXES AND WHAT DO WE GET IN RETURN...HIGHER TAXES.. THEY TAKE 24% OUT OF MY CHECK EVERY WEEK. GET MORE TAXES TAKEN WHEN I PUT GAS IN MY CAR OR EVEN TRY TO BUY FOOD, PAY MY UTILITES, ECT. I BARELY MAKE 30,000 A YEAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE OUR CUT WILL BE.

  • Anonymous  
    January 26, 2009 12:22 PM

    The gross generalization about welfare is ridiculous. Look into it these days and you won't see a soul sitting on their butts not working for what they get. You have to put in a 40 hour week doing some kind of volunteering or such for cash assistance. Try being disabled and getting those benefits!

    I was disabled for 3 years and raising 2 children by myself before I was able to receive any Social Security because it kept getting denied. I lived on my child support of $340 a month and food stamps. Thank God for public housing.

    Now back to the stimulus package. I think the tax breaks for working people are a wonderful idea however, how does that help those of us who are disabled and on Social Security? I can assure you that I worked my behind off, sometimes more than 80hrs per week while raising 2 children alone, before I got hurt at work and became disabled. By not including some kind of stimulus for the disabled and retired, the government is discriminating against us.

  • Anonymous  
    January 26, 2009 2:33 PM

    29 months ago I had a staff of 9 in my department, and I had difficulty finding new staff to keep up with the work. The market was at 14,000, unemployment was at less than 5%. Then you people decided you wanted CHANGE. So, we got a Democratic Party controlled Congress and for me, during the past 24 months everything has gone into the toilet. I now have a staff of 1, the market is at 8,000 and unemployment is skyrocketing to Jimmy Carter era numbers. Thanks for the Change

  • Anonymous  
    January 27, 2009 9:59 PM

    I just hope that people of all income ranges get a releif. I was reading an article about these checks that we are supposed to be getting this late spring, and whom they will all go out too, and the article stated the need for these checks to be sent to people "who can't afford to save it". I am a fourth year college student, living and going to school off of student loans, with a few credit cards too. I work a less than minimuum paying wage job that DOESN'T take taxes out as it is a federal workstudy job and I felt my purse strings tighten just as much as my average middle class working parents. AND I was in the group of people who DIDN'T recieve any check last year...Hmmm, not so fair to me and other college student's who were ignored...We felt this economy go to down the drain too, and of course all of our credit card company's upped our interest rates and minimum payment rates. Thanks for another slap in the face!

  • Anonymous  
    January 28, 2009 11:38 AM

    i am a college student, so does that mean i will get $2,500 towards college? this entire thing is confusing. and i only work like 20 hours a week and get paid like 6.50 an hour... do i make enough to get the $500?
    *amber

  • melpol  
    January 28, 2009 2:21 PM

    Stimulating the economy is on every persons mind. Every stimulus package has failed. Getting money into the consumers hands is the big problem. The government is running out of ideas. But there is a natural resource that is being overlooked. Millions of body parts can be sold and converted to cash. This would put billions of dollars into the hands of consumers and jump start the economy. Selling a part of the body is a morbid way of making money; and it is outlawed in the U.S. The sale of body parts also has provoked fear in many donors because many have multiple parts to offer. But the government can get involved by encouraging and comforting those that need the money. A human cornea sells for as much as 10,000 bucks and a kidney for a little less. People in ill health are happy to pay the price. The exchange of body parts is best done on a personal level. The donor and the one that is receiving the body part should remain in touch with one another for the rest of their lives. There is no better way of establishing a real life connection.

  • Sarah  
    January 28, 2009 8:27 PM

    So should I wait to do my taxes until Apr 15th, so I can take advantage of this tax cut?

  • Andy  
    January 28, 2009 9:11 PM

    This post has been very popular and I am truly surprised at the strong sentiment people have expressed. $1000 is a lot of money, but is it life changing?

    Sarah - You do not need to wait to get the money. From what I undertsatand (details are limited) you can change your paycheck witholding to get a higher after tax return. If you don't have a job, you can wait till you do a tax return or I hear that the IRS is going to setup some facility to get the monies sooner. But wait and see when the bill is signed by the president (feb 16) for all the details.

    Anon College Student - Everyone who earns less than $75K (not how many hours) will qualify for the tax rebate. Couples limits is $150K

    To all the commenters, thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. I know some people have different viewpoints on this issue, but I think some action is better than no action. The stimulus itself will not solve the economic problem and get us out of a recession (after all money lost to date is in the trillions!), but I think it is a step in the right direction.

  • Anonymous  
    January 29, 2009 12:18 PM

    I am so thankful that this was passed yesterday. But is $1,000 enough for any family to feel good about themselves again? That is all going towards our heating bill we owe. So that will heat our home for a few more weeks of this cold cold winter here in Minnesota.

    Why can't the government help us? Like everyone else said those who make top of the scale you take a break or get cut from your job and try to live on unemployment. And then try qualifying for food stamps and see how tough it is. Though there are plenty (too many) people out there who just take advantage of this. That think they expect to have food stamps. If you have had a steady job and a family and something happens in life I think you should be able to qualify. But no you are turned down. So please help us. We need something to get ourselves feeling good again. And I will be thankful if we do get $1,000. That will help. It would be nice if they just looked at us, the little guys, trying to make a living, but can't keep up with the economy.

  • Anonymous  
    January 29, 2009 1:09 PM

    BOO! SO BASICALLY WE DONT SEEANY MONEY ..SO WHAT DO THE REGULAR JOES GET?..NOTHING THATS WHAT..A TAX BREAK..FOR WHO? THE AVERAGE PERSON ISNT GONNA SEE ANY CHANGE WE DONT EVEN PAY ANY TAXES WE DONT MAKE ENOGH FOR THIS TO EFFECT US!...I KNEW IT ALL THAT CHANGE SHIT WAS JUST A CAMPAIN GIMMICK SAME OL' BULLSHIT AS USUAL OBAMA CANT CHANGE 400 YRS OF SET FOUNDATION! KEEP SELLING DRUGS ..KEEP HUSTLING..KEEP ROBBING..KEEP GOING TO YOUR 9 TO 5 ..BECAUSE AINT NOBODY CHANGING SHIT MUTHAFUCKAS..AND KYLE T. SAID IT BASTARDS!

  • Anonymous  
    January 29, 2009 2:27 PM

    Some people are right...Just don't have us pay taxes for a year..that way we can bring home more money to our family... We can pay our debts and boost our economy..Giving stimulus check once won't help us..Not unless it's 10k or up..which i doubt...

  • Sarah  
    January 29, 2009 4:02 PM

    Hi Andy - Thanks for your feedback. I'm still "confoosed" though. If one were to do their 2008 tax return today, then it would seem (to me atleast), that they would not get any benefit from Obama's stimulus package $500 tax cut? If one were to wait and do their taxes Apr 1st, then if the they would get the benefit of the $500 tax cut??? I dunno, does my question make sense or do I sound like an idgit?

  • Anonymous  
    January 29, 2009 4:24 PM

    mostof the comments are right on target, but a few are ridiculous rantings of a few right wing bush supporters. the thing that bothers me most is the feds are not taking a sincere look at the plight of the american citizens that most need a stimulus check for 2009. These people are the low income seniors on ss only and low income families. Please President Obama, do something to help these people.begging for help,a poor law abiding american.

  • achtland111  
    January 29, 2009 6:31 PM

    I'm on Social Security Disability. I will never be able to work again. I have no assets. I don't even have enough to file a tax return. How is this going to help me? The most I ever get is a tiny annual cost-of-living increase that doesn't even begin to compensate for the rate of inflation. When you are already living at or near poverty, $500 is a blessing. So is $300. So what if I spend it on groceries and toilet paper? It's still stuff I need. Bad enough that the poorest in the country got half of what everyone else did last year. Medicare doesn't provide dental or vision care. I haven't seen a dentist in 10 years. I'm legally blind w/o glasses/contacts. A $300-$500 check would really help me out. Please don't tell me that this tax break is better than a stimulus check. Better if you're able to work. (Oh, and since I'm allergic to wheat and am diabetic, I can't resort to Ramen and mac&cheese without being sick. I have to buy real food.)

  • Anonymous  
    January 29, 2009 10:12 PM

    It is imperative for each individual to have ATLEAST 6 to 8 months worth of expeses sved at all times. In this way, we can avoid complete and total despair during times as hard as the ones we face today. We must learn to take care of OURSELVES, instead of relying on Credit, Government, Others to do it for us.

    If you struggle with saving because you struggle controlling your spending you may find help in debtor's anonymous. It has helped me greatly and because of that program, I am now well on my way to building a substantial savings account. I suggest it to anyone and everyone.

  • Anonymous  
    January 30, 2009 4:50 AM

    What about the people on disability? will someone be honest and say if we are going to get one or not.What if we don't have to file taxes what do we need to do?

  • Anonymous  
    January 30, 2009 1:55 PM

    They take from low class and middle class.Middle class is taking the biggest hit in taxes,we aren't getting back a fourth of what my husband has paid in federal.The rich get nice tax breaks,why not give it to the people who need the most.The one's who are paying all the taxes,low and middle class.Illegal aliens more here they are tax exempt,they shouldn't get the help,American people should the legal ones.I think our gov needs to listen to the people,the American people who are footing out the bill for the bailout plan.They would rather give so called tax breaks yet the tax bracket is way up this year,we get back even less this year then last year.The American people suffer from jobs lost because out gov is spending money foolishly,who in the hell can buy a car with no money no one can.You can't buy a car if you're credit s shot yet the gov steals it from the people to bail out crooks who get a nice salary.That is wrong,those crooks should be in prison!

  • Anonymous  
    January 30, 2009 7:12 PM

    WELL I GUESS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT BAIL MONEY ARE DOING GREAT.SOME RIP OFF.THE TAX CUTS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO HELP OUT THE TROUBLES TAX PAYERS HAVE.I LIVE ON SS..DISSABITLITY AND I MAKE $24.80 AND CAN NOT GET MEDICAID.I HAVE ALOT OF MEDICAL BILLS. ACCORDING TO CHART ON FOR PAYING TAXES, I AM CONSIDERED ON THE POVERTY LINE.I DO BELIEVE THATIT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE GIVEN THE BAIL OUT MONEY TO THE PEOPLE SO THEY COULD PAY THEIR HOUSE PAYMENT,FOOD ON THE TABLE AND TRY TO STAY ALIVE.HOW DID THE PEOPLE ON LOW INCOME,DISABILITY AND SS,GET LEFT OUT.I DO NOT SEE ANY FAIRNESS IN THIS AT ALL.GIVE SOME A SO-CALLED BREAK---AND GIVE OTHERS NONE! I THINK WE ALL ARE IN BIG TROUBLE HERE.I JUST PRAY THINGS GET BETTER.
    YOU ALL HAVE A NICE EVENING.
    PAT

  • Anonymous  
    January 30, 2009 11:37 PM

    I am appalled that because I am on SSA, I do not receive any help. The pawltry amt. in a so-called "cost of living" increase was immediately eaten up by an increase in medicare premium and my medicare part D premium in addition to the amount of increase in my co-pay for medications. I would love to meet the person who believes that anyone on SSA due to disability can come up with enough money to survive the "donut hole." I have often been forced to choose between food and medical needs. I have had 23 surgeries in the past 11 years, which startead with a repetitive injury to my forearm. As an aside, I was a legal secretary and typed until I could no longer move my dominant right fingers, hand, and forearm. Stimulate my package will ya Mr. President?

  • Elizzy1977  
    January 31, 2009 3:31 AM

    I think that with the Economy the way that is, and Fuel prices destined to rise again, a Tax Rebate would be extremely beneficial to us Tax payers.

  • Anonymous  
    January 31, 2009 9:32 AM

    give us the bail out money verses these damm banks that use the money on themselves not helping the economy. I am so tired of promises made by the adminitration and yet millons of americans are losing their jobs and been penalize by early withdraw of their 401k. When will open up their eyes and see what is going around in the U.S. BAIL US OUT

  • Anonymous  
    January 31, 2009 9:38 AM

    i AGREE WITH ALL THESE COMMENTS BAIL US OUT PRESIDENT. NOT THE BANKS, FANNIE MAE AND OF AIG. THEY USED THE BAIL OUT TO FATTEN THEIR WALLETS WHAT DID THIS DO FOR US. QUIT MAKING PROMISES YOU CANT KEEP ONCE AGAIN ALL FALSE PROMISES BY ANOTHER PRESIDEN

  • Anonymous  
    January 31, 2009 12:19 PM

    hello im kinda confuse about the tax rebate. now what i have been reading are the gonna take so much taxes out of our pay checks until we reach that 500/1000 pay or how long is this suppose to to last president has not signed the bill yet but i believe it suppose to take effect in march. please help me understand this tax rebate.

  • NASH  
    January 31, 2009 2:10 PM

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss--This whole thing is BS. Becoming President is nothing more than an ego trip for these yahoos. They are all cronies, scratch each others backs and don't care about normal everyday Americans. Tax rebates whatever thanks for the extra gallon of milk I can buy every week. Soon the banks around the globe will be nationalized, with their countries economies in the tank(ala Iceland) and there will be no one left to buy our debt and then finally we will tank. I hope everyone realizes that this $800 billion stimulus plan is us going $1.2 Trillion in the hole with interest, the debt being sold to other countries like China and Japan. We will be owned by communists. The Ameriscam dream in full force!!@!!!

  • Anonymous  
    February 1, 2009 7:44 PM

    what abn out us on Social Security? We are being discriminated against in a big way. The second Bush to me.

  • Andy  
    February 2, 2009 1:30 PM

    And the comments keep on coming. Thanks to everyone who took the time to comment.

    Here are some answers to the questions that were asked:

    I am amazed at the variety of responses and uses of the stimulus money. The good thing is that we get it twice (2009 and 2010) so a lot of people are going to grateful for the money. I know a lot of critics are lambasting the Obama adminstration for its wasteful spending, but just reading some of the comments on the use/need for the stimulus checks should open the eyes of our GOP lawmakers

    Sarah - Good question. As the bill has not been signed yet, it is not in effect. So if you file your taxes now you won't get your credit. Depending on how it is structured the IRS may allow people (including those who don't pay taxes) to submit a seperate claim for the stimulus. Otherwise, like the last stimulus, you can claim in future year tax returns. If you claim the stimulus through your paycheck, your withholdings will be adjusted so that you get the $500 over a few pay periods. Look for more details over the next few weeks.

    @ Anon with the disability question. You can also get the stimulus via your paycheck witholdings. The IRS does want people to file, so they will probably be the quickest way to get the stimulus for non-workers. You can file for free via the IRS. However, once the stimulus is approved we should know more details on how to claim it.

    @ Confused Anon: The stimulus will be paid via your paychcek by reducing the federal taxes withheld. So essentially you should see a bigger paycheck. This may happen over one or multiple pay periods depending on the stimulus details, your payroll policy and how much you earn.

  • Lea  
    February 2, 2009 9:07 PM

    What in the world are people such as myself who survive somehow on SSA (Disabled Person) income?
    We obviously don't pay taxes to Big Gov't...but that does not mean we don't pay any taxes at all.
    There are taxes added to utility bills.
    There are taxes added to the grocery store bills.
    In the rare event we feel "rich" enough to eat a meal somewhere other than home, you bet there are taxes there on the charge slip.
    No taxes on your gas bill for your car, you say? Bull. The taxes are already included at the pump which is one reason I don't have a car.
    Taxes are added to the price of medicines...that's a biggie for me since I'm ill and must pay out of pocket for medicines that are not covered by my so called insurance.
    "Insurance:" that's when a person pays and pays and pays premiums, only to discover that when he or she needs the insurance company to step up and help, the same old B S about pre-existing conditions comes up.
    Now I'm sorry for ranting for so long but I do need to know this: What are we who do not work because we cannot work to do in this supposed 'no stimulus checks, tax breaks instead' situation?

    I need a real answer. Every agency I contacted because I thought I might get a real answer either wasn't able to tell men anything or else sort of patted me on the head and advised me not to worry my little mind about it.

    Neither one of those things helps me one bit.

    ca21595423@mcshi.com

  • Anonymous  
    February 2, 2009 11:06 PM

    Well were we fooled. Stimulus checks are a joke. My husband and I are on disability. Can not afford to even fill our tank up. Buy milk or prescriptions. Make 20 over the limit for food stamps. No medicaid.Tax cuts for the wealthy and middle income , everyone I know is low income and or in poverty. Not by choice. So all the seniors and low income people should be helped too. GOD BLESS US

  • Anonymous  
    February 2, 2009 11:40 PM

    I like Huckabee's plan.. give every tax paying citizen one million dollars.. it would equal roughly 700million. The government was willing to shell out that much to bail out wall street and the auto industry. If every taxpaying citizen got one million dollars they would pay off their mortgages (end the housing crisis) buy a new car (end auto maker dilemma) pay off debts and invest (hello banking crisis) and spend, spend, spend, boosting retail, airlines, hotels, restaurants and small businesses. Will, they ever do it? NO They've got us right where they want us...

  • Anonymous  
    February 4, 2009 4:38 AM

    Thanks for explaining this. I didn't think there was going to be another stimulus check heading my way, but a lot of misinformation out there completely confused me. You've explained it wonderfully.

  • Lea  
    February 4, 2009 10:53 PM

    Hello to everyone....

    I'm still confused as to whether people surviving somehow on SSA or, worse yet because of lower $$$ in the check, SSI.

    Are we going to be eligible for one of thse stimulus checks?

    I saw that one writer-in said there was also going to be some sort of stimulus check in 2010 and that's the first time I ever heard that.

    So. Back to the original question: What about people whose income is SSA/SSI?
    Should we as one person said wait until Feb 16 to file a non-working persons' tax return? There was a mention of waiting until "the bill" was voted on and passed...

    Will there be a Special Line on that return for the person to fill in, with whatever info Big Gov't will demand before issuing said checks?

    If anyone can figure out the conflicting messages coming from WA DC and explain it in words that make more sense than those messages I'd certainly appreciate it.

  • Anonymous  
    February 6, 2009 9:56 AM

    I could have used a stimulus check but if its going to be a rebate and I have already filed was I supposed to have done anything special to get the rebate??????????

  • Anonymous  
    February 6, 2009 8:44 PM

    To those who are talking about the American public needs a bailout, I yell out a loud "No, I don't think so!" Many of these people facing foreclosure knew they couldn't afford a house without saving but they jumped in anyway. I know people who make in the 50K range. They bought two houses, 2 cars while their wives don't work and they have 2 kids to support. I also know retired people who just filed bankruptcy to get rid of their 100K credit card debts, lucky enough to get to keep their house, yet turned around and bought a brand new car over 25K. Oh, did I forget to mention they also have serious health problems so they will probably have to file bankruptcy again in 3 years?!

    I don't like the fact the government is bailing out the greedy corporations and their CEOs. Nor am I happy the super rich are taking advantage of the tax loopholes to save themselves money. It is time to raise the capital gain tax to its 80's level 30%. Unfortunately in this country irresponsible people are getting rewarded for spending carelessly.

  • Anonymous  
    February 6, 2009 11:45 PM

    to sarah the tax cut for the 500 hunderd dollars for singals or 1000 for couples is not something that will be recieved on your 2008 tax returns it is money that you will see little by little on your pay checks by reducing the taxes you are charged each check. so you'll see for example an extra 5 bucks per check not a lump sum 500

  • Anonymous  
    February 7, 2009 9:58 AM

    I'M with huckabee, give every american citizen 1 million dollars. That will solve our problems quick, fast, and in a hurry. who saids it can't be done. Treat the people like you would a huge corporation and we will be rocking and rolling again. smiles and more smiles for the people that keep this united states runnings. NOt congress, not the republicans, not the senate, not even the democrates and the liberals(THE LITTLE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY THE &*&*(& SMARTEST PEOPLE. HOW BOUT EVERYBODY MARCHING WASHINGTON,AND IT'S NOT MR.OBAMA'S FAULT, SO STOP BASHING HIM. HE'S JUST AS BAFFLED BY WHAT THE IDIOT DID TO THIS COUNTRY AS WE ARE.

  • Angry American Woman  
    February 7, 2009 5:30 PM

    Stimulous in our pockets is about ignorant, My husband is and hasn't been working only about 8 hours a week since the middle of November, The future doesn't look any better. So how is this going to help those that are on umemployment? They need to be in the real world where we have to struggle to put food on our tables and to pay our bills. We don't qualify for any govenment assisant to help with food or electric maybe they should consider raising the limits on those goverment benefits so people that are unemployeed could get some help also instead of the dead beats that don't want to work!!!

  • angry american woman  
    February 7, 2009 5:31 PM

    isn't and hasn't been working

  • Anonymous  
    February 7, 2009 6:05 PM

    I think President Obama's Tax Rebate idea is utterly ridiculous. This does not help struggling Americans, if I see an additional 41 dollars a month for 12 months in my pay check he might as well keep it. I can not stimulate the economy with 40 bucks sorry. I liked President Bush's stimulus better because it encourages consumers to go out and buy big ticket items like computers for themselves or their children. If this is a mirror of how President Obama is going to handle things during these hard times for Americans...we are in big trouble.

  • anoriginalamerican  
    February 8, 2009 2:26 AM

    Scrap it all and start over..Everyone back to trading goods and services, raising a garden and hunt! Why must we want for so much and really need for so little. Get back to family values and working and playing together as units instead of one giant servant to an overgrown machine.

  • Anonymous  
    February 8, 2009 9:16 PM

    what about people that dont pay taxes,with four kids and two jobs and still cant get by,there is no tax break when you dont pay already,do you realize how much 800 hundred BILLION dollars is,you want to boost the economy give me 50,000 and i will show you how,screw your 500 and 1000 checks that will stimulate me for 1 min,if thats what it is they can keep it,tax cuts ,uhhh there is no tax cuts cause five years from now they will go back up and your kids are going to suffer paying more....all for what?consumers are called consumers for a reason we spend not invest we dont make enough to invest,the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer doesnt make any sense any more why bother relying on hope from the gov.....maybe we should just stop paying taxes and see who gets stimulated then....

  • Anonymous  
    February 9, 2009 3:53 AM

    I'm on social security and was disabled for the 6 years prior to making the age qualification. I live on less than $980 per month.
    I can't work more than a little, without it killing me. Why can't
    we get the right to work a tiny bit,or sell strawberries, or pet sit to make a few hundred extra a month tax free, and just file a postcard stating compliance with the HIGHER income limit. That would be a permanent stimulus, and would cost nothing from the government.ALL OF THIS WOULD BE SPENT TO BUY,SHOES,VITAMINS, GAS, OR BETTER THRIFTSHOP CLOTHES! Let me scratch out an extra, say $3000 to $5000 a year with work, or a micro THIRD WORLD vending activity.
    Obama "bought" millions of votes from seniors with a proposed $50K BOGUS tax threshold for SAA seniors. Our needs and situation hasn't even come up in this BS stimulus bill! And don't get me going about the AARP as a SHAM lobby organization!

  • Anonymous  
    February 9, 2009 6:20 PM

    How come we always hear about the mortgages & foreclosures with them, but you never hear about the HIGH property taxes! Many people lose their homes due to the property & school taxes as well. I have heard some monthly payments for those taxes almost as high as the mortgages. Here in NY they are even cutting back on school budgets, but our taxes will still go up. Kids are not educated well as it is. But lets not give them anymore education. Why are we not rewarding the middle class for working their butts off? We are always rewarding the people who do NOT want to work and wont or who want to bare 4 kids and cannot even afford to support themselves. $8,500 a year is all you have to earn for the Child Tax Credit??? But I earn & contribute to the Social Security system at least 4x that and I have to pay! I thought we would be rewarding people that actually wake up each morning and work all day just to make ends meet. Not paople who take advantage of the system!

  • Anonymous  
    February 9, 2009 6:24 PM

    In reviewing some of the comments on the second stimulus check, and in particular to those on Social Security, I live on 885.00. However, do the medication that I take for a heart attack it is much less. I also live in a relativly nice low income apartment building, where many here live on LESS than I do. Maybe you should ask yourself, how many republican presidents ever gave you monies that you did not have to pay back? Before you comment, think about those that do not have what you have.

  • Lea  
    February 9, 2009 6:58 PM

    ANONYMOUS SAID:
    Obama "bought" millions of votes from seniors with a proposed $50K BOGUS tax threshold for SAA seniors. Our needs and situation hasn't even come up in this BS stimulus bill! And don't get me going about the AARP as a SHAM lobby organization!
    **********************************
    Anon, you are right. I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't see any How to go along with all the What that he kept promising us...but that doesn't mean I did not hear him exclaim during his campaign that we residents of this country would get a Second Stimulus check.

    I'm constantly receiving mail from such scam-shams as AARP in which I am urged to contact my Senators and Representatives to tell them to keep after Obama and make him keep the promises...lies...that he gave us.

    Contacting someone to tell him/her to see to it that someone else keeps his/her word is so wrong on so many levels I can't even get my mind around it.

    Regarding the person who said we should not bash Obama, I do not think that saying a liar IS a liar falls under "bashing."

    ANON: SSA/SSDI (Disabled Person's Income) at least formerly allowed a recipient of SSA to work for nine months each five years to see whether they could go back to work permanently.
    I don't know if this still applies nor if it applies to people receiving SSI.

    The program was called "trial work period" and the SSA recipient would still get the SSA checks and any other benefits such as MedicAid/MediCare for the nine months.

    Anon if you feel capable of working for a few months it might be better than the stimulus checks we were promised and will not get.
    ***************************************
    ca21595423@mchsi.com

  • Anonymous  
    February 11, 2009 12:10 AM

    OK let me get this straight the stiulus will be in our paychecks.. LMFAO most of us are laid off due to the economy. So we dont get a paycheck... Ok tell us now where our money is going to come from?????? Helloooo anybody home

  • Anonymous  
    February 11, 2009 12:13 AM

    Oh yea and further more hitting pavement everyday looking for new job.. NO ONE IS HIRING NOT EVEN RESTURANTS!!!!!!!!

  • Andy  
    February 11, 2009 9:24 AM

    Wow, the comments keep on coming and folks have some strong opinions. One thing to note is that you do need to be working to get the credit (as mentioned in the post). All you need to do is file a TAX RETURN, even if you don't owe taxes.

    Now if you don't want to file a tax return or change your paycheck withholding, it will be difficult for the IRS/Government to pay you the rebate, but you will have to wait for the bill to be finalized to see all the provisions for how the credit will be distributed.

  • Anonymous  
    February 11, 2009 11:22 AM

    The $1,000 tax rebate works this way: If a couple is entitled to a $500 tax refund check already, they will receive a $1,500 check instead? If they owe $500, the $1,000 tax credit will result in their receiving a $500 refund check? And if they already owe $1,500, the tax credit will result in their only paying $500?

    Is this correct?

  • Anonymous  
    February 11, 2009 10:40 PM

    Money needs to go to the people in the LESS than $75,000 a year bracket - especially less than $40,000 a year - those folks are spending all they have and falling behind.

    I'm blessed to still be working. My brother is disabled with diabetes, lost both legs. My baby sister got laid off at 49 - its been 5 months and it looks like she will loose her house which is where she sunk $40,000 - all her savings. It makes me sick, she worked hard and put in a pellet stove for heat all by herself. Her ex was never good with child support, she brought up two great girls all by herself, worked HARD all her life.

  • Anonymous  
    February 12, 2009 2:13 AM

    Hi, I'm the "Anonymous" who wants to work a little bit, or sell a tiny supply of goods, like flowers or strawberries to earn a few hundred a month. Since our money was cut in half since 2000 by little c.o.l.a.adjustments,I may die from the salt malnutrition, that comes from "99 cent store" canned groceries. Bastardly, cheapskate kneejerk conservatives, think, you have to pay income tax, currently, to be worthy of any breaks. I worked for 40+ years and paid lots of taxes.I simply can't live in California for $980 a month! I'm not asking for money, just the right to work,a few hours each month, probably doing a micro job, nobody here legally would do. I can't stand around or
    walk far, due to my diabetic feet, and weak heart...but by God, they
    should NEVER be able to prosecute me if I were to work a little, like any peon is free to do in the THIRD WORLD. Braveheart said it best...FREEDOM!!! Let me file just a postcard to comply with a special IRS waiver, on this tiny subsistance activity.

  • Anonymous  
    February 12, 2009 9:05 AM

    I am on SS Disability,too.You are actually allowed to work some every month,you can make up to $900 per month ,if you are able to.Whether or not you would need to to pay any taxes is dependent on your own financial situation,but if you are only wanting to make 3-5 thousand per year,you should not need to pay.You should go to the SSA website and look up the information on working while on Disability.

  • Anonymous  
    February 12, 2009 10:56 AM

    I'm not any longer paid for disability, as I'm old enough for
    retirement SSA. I am disabled, now,
    only under DMV oversight, for parking. I get a few dollars SSI,
    which is not enough to offset the
    food stamps that I'm not allowed.
    After being homeless in my car for
    14 months, I have a reduced rent, which brought me in from the cold. That is at risk if I were classified as SELF EMPLOYED...So I can't earn anything from casual
    work or even selling strawberries,
    or collecting used soda cans. That
    is considered a "small business"
    activity.

  • Anonymous  
    February 12, 2009 2:35 PM

    Does the 2009 tax break translate to p. 2 of the 1040? I do not work for wages and my only sources of income are Social Security and one 1099.

  • Anonymous  
    February 12, 2009 5:46 PM

    my husband and i are on social security disability,it is not our fault that we becane disabled,but we have bills to pay the same as working people.we feel we deserve the stimulus rebate check also.i feel elderly people on socail security should receive this also.alot of the gas worked hard for many years.alot of them had to move to smaller places to live because thay couldnt afford taxes,but now they have to pay rent.alot of these people on social security and social security disibility can hardly make it month to month.i really do not think we should elimnate certain individuals because of there age or there medical problems ,whoever is going to judge these people better pray that one day something bad could happen to them or their spouse,and your whole life can change in a second.we never thought that we would become disabled,and i really do not wish it on anyone.we lost our home,my husband needs surgery in his brain,but we have no insurance for two years after we received social security disibility.so be careful with what you say and do,because it could happen to you

  • Anonymous  
    February 13, 2009 10:57 PM

    Why not keep printing money and not stop until there is enough to put our economy back in shape ???

  • ca21595423  
    February 14, 2009 12:36 AM

    To Anonymous
    February 13, 2009 10:57 PM who wrote this comment:

    Why not keep printing money and not stop until there is enough to put our economy back in shape ???
    **********************************
    Because US dollars are not backed up by anything and haven't been backed up by anything since this country went off the Gold Standard so MANY years ago and should not have done that, that's why.

    Continuing to print un-backed money creates a thing called inflation. Besides greed on the producers of both so-called "durable goods" AND fast-vahishing things such as food runs a country into an economic depression such as thse un-United States has been in ever since Reagan Era 2, money basically printed on air causes the economy to gurgle down the tank ever faster and faster.

    People are losing their homes and cannot, economically speaking, afford even enough $$$ to live in shared housing with other people. Being economically forced to share housing with other people can cause resentment and emotional depression because of our seemingly endless economic depression.

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 14, 2009 12:55 AM

    Wow, Andy and readers and posters, the Rebate seems to be reducing very rapidly, doesn't it? I do feel, though, that a little less is better than nothing at all. Of course since my income is through SSA, Disabled Persons Stipend, people who are able to work might feel differently about the "a little less" opinion.

    Copied from Andy's page:
    I also received some questions regarding whether this payment would be available to otherwise qualified retirees or disabled people. The answer is that it will, but in a reduced fashion. Because there is another provision in the overall stimulus bill of a one-time payment of $250 in 2009 to retirees and disabled people receiving Social Security benefits, income-tax credit (rebate) will be reduced by $250.
    *********************
    I'm sorry to be so dense but as I subtract $250 from $250 I get a total of zero. Could someone help me see where I am going wrong? I do not have a job so ostensibly do not have any claim on the Rebate. I thought the Rebate provision was for people who were able to work.

    The reference to "earned income" is, I think, slso part of what is confusing me. I don't have a job. My income is not "earned," so I don't know how to subtract 6.2% from what I don't get.

    Copied from Sndy's writings:
    2007/2008 Stimulus payments - The Bush administration did mail out stimulus checks last year and many people did not claim their share or didn't qualify. If you didn't get an economic stimulus payment in 2008, you may be eligible to receive the recovery rebate credit in 2009. See the 2008 tax forms or use automated tax software (such as turbo tax) to determine your eligibility.
    **********************************
    Alas, Andy, I don't recall Bush Jr generously handing out any stimulous checks last year. I do have memory issues but wonder whether any reader who also survives somehow on SSA income could give me a brain-jog, please?

    SIDE NOTE: It seems a great number of people are writing under the pseudonym "anonymous." Are at least some of those people trying to reply to a previous post? Is there some way that could be indicated, either by copy-pasting what the previous writer said and then going ahead with a response, or some other method brain fog won't let me figure out just now?

    Thanks to all who try to make their messages clear!

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 14, 2009 2:25 AM

    Ventura County, CA - This "anon"
    hails from that area. I have posted twice in the last week. The political point I am advancing is that you can be a nontaxpayer, now,
    yet have paid plenty of tax over the years prior to illness,injury, or dibilitating old age. Everybody who is hard-up, in an unhealthy old age is not necessarily a dole sucking flake! We are not allowed the flexibility of poor folks in the THIRD WORLD, to scratch out
    a slightly better living standard,
    by our own efforts. People who collect aluminum cans,sell apples from a basket, play the banjo for tips, or just feed a traveler's dog, for a few days... are ALL CONSIDERED CRIMINALS in the eyes of both the mean spirited welfair bashing RIGHTISTS or the
    ZEALOUS means testers and gov. tax collectors, on the LEFT, if they want to make a little more
    than SSA alone, pays. They both wish you'd just disappear, with you need to eat,ETC! I'm just saying,let us file a simple TAX POSTCARD, once a year where we say our total taxable income is less
    than $15K to maybe $18K INCLUDING
    ALL SSA, SSI, and food stamps! If
    that is true, and we say so under penalty of TAX EVASION or FRAUD, that should be it, for any poor retired or disabled persons! If that is socialism, than this conservative free market guy is a "Marxist"! Keeping perfect detailed accounts of the many
    ways of surviving, a few bucks at a time, is a burden on sick old folks, who likely have no family to help, like the richer, smug,
    "Middle Class Retiree" most likely has, as a "safety net".

  • Anonymous  
    February 14, 2009 1:46 PM

    I told you Gov would not betray big business. Thats where their bread is buttered. Now everyone hang on, because this ship will be sinking fast now. Your watching the fall of a great nation. Just like Rome, the fall is caused by greed and coruption.

  • Andy  
    February 14, 2009 3:56 PM

    Okay, I am going to have a shot at answering some of the questions I have recieved online and offline. I have updated the post as well, but just want to remind folks that a lot of the details of the income tax credit/rebate still need to be worked through via the IRS. So please do not what I say here as the final word. It is only based on the current information and research I have done.

    Anon - Since the credit is “refundable,” people with no federal income-tax liability will get money back. So you can either offset it against your owed taxes or get the cash back if you have no other tax liabilities and meet the income qualification. As long as you have some earned income, you will qualify for this credit. There is also a $250 credit for SSA which will be added to the regular payments. However if you claim the $400 tax credit and are eligible for SSA, then you will have to reduce the credit by the $250 (which you will recive seperately).

    I also agree that we should not be making disparaging comments about the disabled here. Like one of the commenters said, "Your whole life can change in a second.we never thought that we would become disabled,and i really do not wish it on anyone". Just be greatful for the health you have.

    Anon (with the benefits declining rapidly q). Just to clarify. The income tax rebate of $400 and the SSA credit of $250 are seperate payments. However it is not fair that some people could get $650. So to avoid a double credit, you can only claim the maximum of $400. If you don't qualify for the $400 working tax credit and are on SSA, you will only get $250.

    Bush did send out $600/$1200 checks last year (see the IRS site and search for stimulus). Most Americans were eligible for this.

    Lea - thanks for your great comments. Also, yes it would be good if people used a pseudonym or initials to their name so that I could get back specifically to them. For those not familiar with the comments form, you can enter your name be selecting the "Name/URL" button. Only enter a name, as URL is optional.

    In reagards to the SSA/Disabled benefits here is what is offically in thee bill:

    - Economic Recovery Payment to Recipients of Social Security, SSI, Railroad Retirement and Veterans Disability Compensation Benefits. The bill would provide a one-time payment of $250 to retirees, disabled individuals and SSI recipients receiving benefits from the Social Security Administration, Railroad Retirement beneficiaries, and disabled veterans receiving benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The one-time payment is a reduction to the Making Work Pay credit.

    - Refundable Credit for Certain Federal and State Pensioners. The bill would provide a one-time refundable tax credit of $250 in 2009 to certain government retirees who are not eligible for Social Security benefits. This one-time credit is a reduction to the Making Work Pay credit.

  • Anonymous  
    February 16, 2009 1:07 AM

    I don't understand something. If there are only 3 million Americans, then why not just give each one One million dollars. Then instead of bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack, Hell I can pay off my house and Fannie and Feddie can stop blowing up my phone. I could buy me a decent car and the Car industry would be saved. For once I could pay off my twenty thousand dollar student loan helping out the education lending. I could catch up my child support and my children's mother would be able to buy groceries. Of course I'd have to get me some decent clothing lending a hand to the retailers. Finally, I'd be able to get myself some insurance and go to the doctor for all the ulcers I have gotten from the stress of not being able to pay my bills, helping out the medical industry. Just looking my single sitaution, must have open up at least 10 more jobs. Now imagine if 3 million Americans had the same opportnity. I really don't understand, because you said you bailed out the banking industry. My credit has gotten so screwed up they still aren't going to lend me a dime. I doubt seriously that AIG is going to give me any free insurance, so next year I'll still have ulcers. I really don't believe that Ford or the Chevy dealers are going to give me a free car so instead of most americans being able to help the auto industry we are still going to have to patch up on our old rides. I hate to let you know this but gasoline is on the rise again, but I don't see the CEO's of EXXON standing in the foodstamp office. I supported Sen. Obama, but when it's all said and done at the end of the day, The rich get's richer and the poor get's fucked even harder.
    I wonder is it that they are afraid of what the world would be like if we could all lay down at night not having to worry if the re-po man will wake us up in the morning. $800 rebate! WOW! That sounds so enticing, but guess what since I'm about to be in forclosure anyway and $1000 isn't going to catch up my payments I think I'll just stick mine in a jar since the bank closed my account because of NSF. That way atleast I'll be able to buy some of that $2.00 / gallon gas and go from family member to family member when my house is gone. At least until they are soon in the same situation as I am.
    My hat is off to our government leaders. They are stimulating the hell out of the economy. I'm grateful cause at least I'll get an extra $20 on my pay check. Atleast until my job like many others decide that now that they got a bailout they're going to get the hell out and move to Mexico or China. Boy talk about stimulating the economy.

  • Andy  
    February 16, 2009 9:44 AM

    Anon - Clearly you have some issues with the way the stimulus. Also there are 300 MILLION americans, not 3 million. So your numbers don't really add up. Dividing the $800 Bn* stimulus, into 300 million, gives you about $2,666 per person. Much less than your numbers and while more than the current tax breaks, I don't think $2666 will save people from foreclosure or create new jobs.

    *$800 Billion has 11 zero's, and most standard calculators cannot handle a number this big! Also just to show you how big this stimulus is, if it were a country the stimulus would be the 15th largest nation in world based on GDP.

  • sdeming  
    February 16, 2009 1:30 PM

    My husband and I are both drawing social security disability checks. We have no earned income. Do we need to file a tax return to get the $250.00 stimulus bonus. Please answer. Thanks

  • Anonymous  
    February 17, 2009 5:23 PM

    What is $13 per week supposed to accomplish? Will it make you go out and spend more? Not me, and probably not most Americans, WOW we have enough money for an extra value meal! Our children's children will be paying off the error of our ways, let the economy fix itself, stop providing "bailouts" for those that are in trouble, and provide incentives for those of us that act responsibly. My wife and I bought a home years ago that was reasonably priced within our means, it is not extravagant, one of us has lost their 6 months ago, and we stretch every dollar to its limit, no missed payments ever, on anything! What is our incentive to continue to do so if everyone who was irresponsible is going to get bailed out one way or another, by the govt. or the banks revaluing their loans! God help us all!

  • Anonymous  
    February 17, 2009 11:36 PM

    hey andy wasnt there two 800 billion stimulus bailouts?you should get your numbers right........and oh yea and auto bailouts 25 or so billion.....now there is going to be a trillion dollar bailout ....give me a break you shmuck.......its never ending but apparently you dont need it so just keep paying it....

  • Anonymous  
    February 17, 2009 11:46 PM

    stimulate billions everywhere and the gov.....ment gives me 13 bucks ,,,,,are you kidding me ,,,,yes i am sellfish ,,,,,,i feel no remorse....i pay taxes show me something better than 13 bucks.....i think obama was a mistake.....sorry
    not only that what the h...are you doing by letting terrorist go free?yet we keep 2 guys in prison shooting a drug smuggler in the ass.....da i am now going to find that steep cliff to jump from....i am at a loss.....

  • Anonymous  
    February 18, 2009 9:17 AM

    I have a question about how the Stimulus will effect dependants.
    I am on 100% disibalty (SSD) with and do not work at all. My son is also on disadility (SSI) I think I understand about the payment that I will get but will there be any tax credit (for the dependants) of the working people, laid off people and will the be a a on time payment for people like me and the other in my SSD and his SSI monthly check. Last years had this $300 payment for the dependants.
    Also will the people with no earned income have to file a tax return like last year to recieve their Stilumus?

  • Anonymous  
    February 18, 2009 9:59 AM

    so what is the stimulus payment ultimately going to cost me as a taxpayer? 787 billion paid out, who by/ Yes, by the tax payer!!! We amy think we're getting a great deal of $13 per week, but look at the additional taxes!!!!!\
    And why are car dealers getting payouts, why not cut jobbs, put on pay freezes and cut benefits like every other employer, so what if they are Union jobs!! My employer has Union jobs too, but we still lost 800 people, pay freezes for a year, high reduction in bonusues, so what makes car manufacturers different, it's not as if more people can afford to buy cars!!!

  • Anonymous  
    February 18, 2009 1:04 PM

    What I want to know is why are all of these criminal rappers and athletes getting paid so much money for a talent??? Why does that make any since? I think that Law officers,teachers,and people who protect us should be the highest paid. Everyone is struggling here and the government is "trying" to help, but what they need to do is help everyday hard working people that can't even afford to make ends meet living from pay check to paycheck.

  • j1963herr  
    February 18, 2009 1:29 PM

    Want to know what happened to stimulus checks last year? The oil companies got all of it. Didn't anyone else notice the sudden rise in gas prices when the checks began to come out? Then, once they were all out and spent, oil bottomed out. Wake up people, it was a handout to the oil companies under the guise of giving something to the people.

  • Tara  
    February 18, 2009 3:54 PM

    I make 27k per year. I have raised four children into adults. We all struggle just to get by. I would really like to know what the government thinks $13 per week is going to do? I will buy a gallon of milk, bread, eggs, cereal, lunch meat and cheese to last each week. Wow, that's really stimulating the economy right? I honestly don't know what the heck they are thinking. It's going to take a whole lot more than $13 per week for me to able to make a "large" purchase of an item that will actually stimulate the economy. How about sending me $10,000 so I can put a down payment on a house? The whole idea is just idiotic.

  • kasandra  
    February 18, 2009 7:48 PM

    13 dollars ok wow! Right. Now how in the long run does that help us? Now you can feel your gas tank all the way up and you can afford to buy more milk in the week. It doesnt help me at all. Im a wive of a Solider and the 13 dollars wont reach me. Now some of the plans seem like good ideas but come on really how is any of this help. We need help now not a year from now 312 dollars is a big insult to us as tax payers.

  • Andy  
    February 19, 2009 8:53 PM

    sdeming - If you are already getting SSA, you should get the additional $250 automatically later in the year.

    Anon - $13 = $52 a month. That's a lot of money for a number of people. Just look at some of the comments on this post.

    Anon - This is the only $800 stimulus plan I know off. The other plans are TARP ($750 bn) for financial sector and George Bush's $350 billon last year. I have covered them all.

    Anon - See my overview post on the other simulus tax payments. It answers your question.

    Anon x 2 - Your frustration at the stimulus is noted.

    Tara - You will qualify for the additional child tax credits as well. Looking at your situation I think you will get more out of the stimulus than you think.

    Kasandra - See my comment above to Tara. There are a number of othe tax credits that you may qualify for. Read my overview post on all the tax credits in the stimulus package.

  • Anonymous  
    February 21, 2009 7:13 AM

    Doesn't anyone get this? John Mc Cain did not run a campaign. Obama is just another Bush brother. They even associate with the same people; terrorists etc. It's all been overlooked? Get Real! America is in the sewer under this dictatorship!

  • Anonymous  
    February 22, 2009 3:18 PM

    People are so ignorant. I am so sick of reading these comments. For all the people who are leaving comments complaining...you need to take a moment and think. Never in a million years did I think the government would give us ANYTHING! For some people who are less fortunate $500, $13 a week, $52 a month or whatever the case is would actually benefit them. Its so sad to hear the selfish people talking about how dumb or rediculous this bail out is. I feel very grateful to have President Obama in office and do believe that change is coming. Everyone wants to down talk him...give the man a chance!!! Years of mistakes is what cause this crisis that we are in and it sure isnt going to change in a few months! We need to support him and respect him as the president of the united states! People on here need to grow up...learn how to spell before your trying to sound educated speaking about what the government is doing and have done thus far. Your making yourselves look like idiots!! For the rest of us who have hope, hold on to it. Believe that everything will get better. Spend your money wisely, and pay attention to whats going on. Just because you watch the news at night doesnt mean you know anything. Open up a book, do some research. Also a lot of people should look up what President Obama has to offer. Your ignorance is so sad because you really dont know, you just follow whatever people are saying. Get over it because he is not going anywhere!!!

  • Anonymous  
    February 22, 2009 11:49 PM

    I don't think people are ignorant, I think they are desperate. Respect,even for our President, will have to be earned, and so far no one I have talked with is impressed. I don't think Obama is a bad person, I just think his promises were unrealistic. By the way, I thought as commander in chief our president saluted the flag. Has anyone seen Obama do this yet? I haven't. To make this all work we need to support each other, even when our opinions differ.

  • Anonymous  
    February 23, 2009 1:14 PM

    To Anonymous who is so enamored of his/her words it seemed necessary to post an identical opinion twice and whose words began with:


    People are so ignorant. I am so sick of reading these comments.
    *********************************
    Stand back and take a look at yourself, Anon. We are here to discuss the much needed and hopefully coming soon stimulus checks.
    We are NOT here to malign the way other people spell. If we were, I could say several words about your spelling. Your run-on sentences and lack of such points of punctuation as the apostrophe didn't go unnoticed, either. Apostrophe: You know, that thing that looks like this: '.
    We are NOT here to call other people ignorant. Again you might want to take a look at yourself.
    ********************************
    To those who might have information instead of computerized sneering, I'm still confused as to the You have to file a tax form/ You do not have to file a tax form/ to get the stimulus check if your income is SSA (Disabled Person) dollars.

    I read the information on the home page, Andy, and it seems both Yes you do have to file and No you don't have to file are mentioned.

    Of course I don't get that SSA Disabled Person check because I'm a SuperGenius: I have memory issues that would make a dead computer look totally healthy, lol.

    Andy, thank you for your patience. I don't imagine you thought such a hornet's nest would be stirred when you first put up this page.

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 24, 2009 10:00 AM

    I don't understand this.
    He bailed out companies ? Where did that money come from? Our taxs the working people pay in. And yet half of them went and bought boats new homes and condos with it. The president should have made the big people help themselfs by selling some of there assets . My husband works they cut him 500. weekly for taxs we get back around $2,000 on our income tax checks we have 2 morgages on 1 home. So he is no robin hood he is not here to help the people he is stealing from the people to give to the rich companies. I am sure if everyone got to keep what is taken from them weekly would be able to keep there homes buy cars second homes I mean 6 moths would benifit the economy way more than this big bailout for company's 500.00 $ a week for us for 6 months to a year would pay off my home therfore I would shop shop shop boosting the clothing stores that have now shut down.

  • Anonymous  
    February 24, 2009 10:08 AM

    So many people in our area draw disabilitie checks do you know what they do with that they buy drugs . I myself have a cusin who since he was 18 years old has drawn checks for being crazy and foodstamps. He gets his money sells his foodstamps in exchange for money to buy his drugs. the rest of the month he robs people. They are actual people who do need these checks dont get me wrong. But all they would have to do to seperate these people is a simple drug test once a month.not a urine I worked in a clinic there would bring bags of urning with them and to keep them warm stuff them near there privates to keep them body temature. Pull the hair out of there heads and test..

  • Anonymous  
    February 24, 2009 4:19 PM

    I can't figure out what I qualify for. I currently am on SSDI and I earn about $5,500 a year at a part time job but don't have withholding since I don't earn enough to pay taxes. I do file income tax at the end of the year. Will I get the $250 rebate or will I get a refund at the end of the year?

  • Andy  
    February 24, 2009 9:06 PM

    Lea - From the SSA website (see post for update): "everyone who is entitled to the $250 payment should receive it by late May 2009. No action is required on your part."

    You should get the payments automatically, but call the IRS if you don't recieve anything by June.

    Anon - See my above comment. You may get the payment earlier, or at worst you can file for it in 2009. The SSA is still confirming how it will be paid out to the 55 million eligible people.

  • Mark in Tampa  
    February 25, 2009 10:55 AM

    Okay... for SS recipients only.

    I understand the $250 payment that the SSA will be processing in a few months... no problem there.

    But HOW/when do they get the other $150 ? Will it be when they file taxes a year from now ?

    Is there any reason to file a tax return THIS spring ? We only filed last year because of the Bush checks. We'll file this year IF it will help us. Just SS for income.

  • Anonymous  
    February 25, 2009 4:02 PM

    Hello, Andy:

    Thank you very much for unsnarling my confusion, part of the reason for which is that one illness I have is Myalgic Encephalomyelitis --- which burns out brain cells, bye bye memory and even being able to think clearly, just a couple of myriads wrongnesses the ______ thing brings --- I appreciate your note very much.

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 25, 2009 4:20 PM

    TO MARK IN TAMPA:

    Mark in Tampa said...
    Okay... for SS recipients only.
    I understand the $250 payment that the SSA will be processing in a few months... no problem there.
    But HOW/when do they get the other $150 ? Will it be when they file taxes a year from now ?
    ********************************
    MARK IN TAMPA:

    What "other $150?" I swear, the minute some kind person unconfuses me, something else happens to put me into brainmelt practically immediately.

    I've moved this site into Favorites and will do my best to remember to check back and see if there's some explanation of an additional $159, as I've said not heard of till just now.

    Thanks,
    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 26, 2009 1:05 PM

    why should we be bailing out these big corporations so they can screw us some more out of our money just because they have crooked people in thier offices they need to fire all in there when we bail them out and put honest people in

  • Anonymous  
    February 26, 2009 2:25 PM

    I think that the govt should get out of the charity business and leave that work to REAL CHARITIES. I'm tired of my hard earned money going to lazy people who don't want to work via Social Security and Welfare programs. I know I will get bashed for this statement but most of you know that it's true.

  • Mark in Tampa  
    February 26, 2009 3:23 PM

    > Because there is another provision in the overall stimulus bill
    > of a one-time payment of $250 in 2009 to retirees and disabled
    > people receiving Social Security benefits, the $400 income-tax
    > credit (rebate) will be reduced by $250. To clarify: You get the
    > $250 SS credit (which will distributed as an additional payment)
    > plus a reduced $150 working tax credit (total is still $400).
    >
    > ...
    >
    > Note: The Making working Pay $400/$800 credit is being paid by
    > the IRS, while the $250 social security payment is being paid out
    > by the SSA.


    There's the "other" $150.
    My question is... do we need to file a tax return to get the 150 ?

  • Anonymous  
    February 27, 2009 11:46 PM

    Well, Id like to include NOT everyone is getting this money examples are that disabled children on ssi are going to see the payment, where children on survivors benifits arent, so they are being particular to who they see capable of stimulating this economy. Work first includes a bonus to what you will recieve back etc etc. So there are a select few going to qualify so ITS not in everyones hands but yet ones not recieving will be paying back for who didnt meet the standard to stimulate the ecomomy. but theyll be paying it back all the same over time. This plan as I see it wont recover a thing, and the stimulus package is extremely flawed.

  • Anonymous  
    February 28, 2009 12:01 AM

    Im not accepting this, as the goal was for the people to stimulate the economy yet not everyone will recieve, a disabled child is eligibale to but a child who lost a parent isnt qualified? Ok so I wont leave the ones responsible to pay back what i was paid out when they didnt get a dime and will be left to clean up this mess...So im refusing the payment...Im not that desperate.

  • Anonymous  
    February 28, 2009 6:31 PM

    Anonymous said:
    So im refusing the payment...Im not that desperate.

    February 28, 2009 12:01 AM
    **************************
    How about this? If you don't want the stimulus check, accept it anyway and donate it to your nearest senior center or food cupboard agency, which provides Meals on Wheels type food to home bound people and others who can make it to the Centers.
    They ARE that desperate.

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    February 28, 2009 6:37 PM

    MARK IN TAMPA:

    When you mention a $150 "working tax credit," are you talking about those people lucky enough to have and be able to perform jobs?

    Thanks in advance for response,
    Lea.

  • Andy  
    March 5, 2009 9:23 AM

    The $150 working tax credit is paid through your payroll deduction OR via filing your tax returns in 2010.

    Mark - the SSA will pay you the $250. This $250 (economic recovery payment) will be a reduction to any Making Work Pay credit ($800 or $400) for which you qualify. It is then your responsibility to tell your payroll about your eligibility for this otherwise you could be double claiming.




    Also, here is some updated information on paymenr of the SS stimulus payment : The SSA will pay all eligible Social Security and SSI beneficiaries by late May 2009, so you should expect to receive your payment no later than the first week of June 2009. The one-time payment will be a separate payment, which will not be included in your regular monthly benefit payment.

  • Jim  
    March 5, 2009 9:24 AM

    Thanks for all the information Andy.

  • Anonymous  
    March 5, 2009 2:48 PM

    The whole thing is depressing to me. I have been self employed for 23 years. Their are two forms of business in the real world. Buying to sell ! The trick is to profit as much as you can off of what you purchased. If you spend more than you take in, it's only a matter of time before your business tanks. On top of this, your credit is starting to drop into the toilet. It,s obvious to me, President Obama and most members of Congress have never had a business or this spending move is on tension, to break and destroy our democracy in a power grab. Just do the justice you deserve and watch what is happening before your eyes. Ask your experts for information. This will bring down all parties. Your Children will suffer right along with you !The only way to survive this economic time is to cut all our expences, pork, wastefull spending and use what simulas we have for meaningful lasting job creation. Then get as much money to the people as possible thought tax cuts, lump sums in the thousands. This money goes to Savings, paying off bills, Banking, investing, buying products, business creation, shoring up Etc. Etc. This is what I would do if I was going to save this Country. These are tough times and we have to be Conservitive, not a wild crazy spending machine. Your comments please !

  • Anonymous  
    March 5, 2009 5:20 PM

    Well I don't know about everyone else but I made more in 2008 than I did in 2007 and got less back on my income taxes so if we were supposed to get more money where was it at for me I think that the checks are a better idea right now so people can get caught up on things.

  • Anonymous  
    March 5, 2009 10:22 PM

    First of all, in all things give thanks. Next, why do people expect President Obama to heal the nation? This mess did not happen overnight, so it's not going to be solved overnight. I give thanks for any little thing I get. I voted for President Obama, but he cannot heal the land, I pray to God that he will give him the widsom to lead this country. I trust that God is going to do that because the believers are praying for him everyday. People just want to sit back and criticize every little thing he does and say. I am trusting in God that he is going to delivery us out of this depression. The key is to pray and have faith in God and not man, because man will deceive you. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart. Focus on God. I know that God is going to take care of me, even in the midst of all that is going on with the economy. Amen

  • Anonymous  
    March 6, 2009 10:29 AM

    Second of all, I agree with your faith in God Completely and your right; President Obama is not going to heal the nation. He going to destroy it and you voted for him. Let not one man deceive us all. Listen to him when he speaks. His contradictions’ speaks half truths. He is a liar and the one who has come to destroy us or he is controlled by congress or just plain incompetent for this position.

  • Anonymous  
    March 7, 2009 8:11 PM

    In regards to illegals, ok, they use made up social security #'s, some of which belong to someone. They have taxes taken out of their paychecks, medicare, social security, etc... My question is: Where does all this unclaimed $$ go? The vast majority of illegals do not file an income tax return, or ssi,etc... WHERE IS IT GOING? WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF $$$$

  • Anonymous  
    March 11, 2009 2:39 AM

    I AM SO SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THIS STIMULUS PACKAGE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT THE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE AND PEOPLE ON S.S. AT ALL. IT ONLY HELPS PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER HELPED THEMSELVWS, THEY HAVE CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK AND THE EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT THEM (WHICH IT DOES. MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH WORKED FOR APPROX 60 YEARS AND WERE NOT FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WORK FOR AN INDUSTRY THAT PAID HIGH WAGES AND GREAT RETIREMENT BENEFITS, BUT WE MANAGED TO SEND OUR TWO CHILDREN THROUGH COLLEGE WITH NO FREE RIDE. WHAT GOOD WILL A $250 CHECK DO US? THIS IS A JOKE AND THE PEOPLE WORKING $13.00 A WEEK EXTRA IS A SLAP IN THE FACE. THE ONLY WAY U BENEFIT IS TO HAVE CHILDREN UNMARRIED AND LET THE GOVERMENT GIVE YOU A FREE RIDE. ANOTHER PET PEEVE OF MIN E WE BAIL OUT BANKS AND LOAN COMPANIES AND THEY IN RETURN HAVE DOUBLED THE INTEREST RATES ON CREDIT CARDS, WHERE IS THE JUSTICE IN THAT? MR PRESIDENT, CONGRESS AND THE SENATE WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING.

  • Anonymous  
    March 11, 2009 2:30 PM

    This whole thing does not make sense. When you look at the tax tables what they are actually doing if you are married is giving $800 per person, when it should be $400 per couple $800 total. It looks like the tax tables are messed up or something. Has anyone else noticed this. Does that mean if you are married, when you do taxes you will owe $800 because both people had $800 taken out instead of $400 per person? I don't think they did this right.

  • Anonymous  
    March 12, 2009 2:10 PM

    the best way to stimulate the economy is to give the money to working poor they feel they are working for nithing people who sit on there ass and lie to get there ssi get paid for that this is not fair

  • Anonymous  
    March 12, 2009 6:15 PM

    Anon said on 03/07/2009:
    In regards to illegals, ok, they use made up social security #'s, some of which belong to someone. They have taxes taken out of their paychecks, medicare, social security, etc... My question is: Where does all this unclaimed $$ go? The vast majority of illegals do not file an income tax return, or ssi,etc... WHERE IS IT GOING? WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF $$$$
    **********************************************
    Anon, if some people are fraudulently using another person's SSN in order to have a job the fact will become very clear if the person who legally has the SSN files an income tax return.

    Unfortunately it might be difficult to prove to IRS that the legal holder of the SSN worked simultaneously, for instance, in Florida and Washington State.
    And: the illegal number user would have to work under the same name as the legal number holder. That doesn't sound easy so I wonder just how many illegal workers there are, using SSNs already issued to other people?

    I'd imagine that dollars funneled to Medicare, Social Security, etc would stay there until the legal holder of the SSN retired and/or needed Medicare. Personally if I were able to work I wouldn't mind getting that sort of surprise at retirement age. :- ). But I probably wouldn't get the $$$ handed over to SS & Medicare when it became obvious I couldn't have worked more than one job, even part-time.

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    March 14, 2009 10:18 AM

    No I wont donate it, the govmt decided not to give it to some so ill let the govmt give them money...desperate or not..apparrently they think theres a difference between disabled kids and kids without parents due to death so they have all the answers so let them figure it out..i give up on the economy and usa..

  • Andy  
    March 14, 2009 3:52 PM

    Wow, some strong viewpoints being expressed. It's interesting to see how this credit has divided viewpoints. Most of us should start seeing these payments soon, and in a few months can determine whether the payments worked or not. Just remember to use the extra money to pay down debt and/or increase your emergency savings, because I fear there are more tough times ahead.

  • Anonymous  
    March 15, 2009 2:25 PM

    ANONYMOUS SAID:
    Anonymous
    March 12, 2009 2:10 PM

    the best way to stimulate the economy is to give the money to working poor they feel they are working for nithing people who sit on there ass and lie to get there ssi get paid for that this is not fair
    *****
    Anon, I have an idea. You take on my arthritis, myalgic encephalomyelitis, fibromyalgia, congestive heart failure, scoliosis and Below Poverty Level income from SSA instead of SSI and SSI is even less than SSA if that can be believed and I'll take your apparently healthy life. Deal?

    Lea.

  • Anonymous  
    April 3, 2009 5:43 PM

    This is for everyone who's trying to blame Obama, and who voted to re-elect Bush. The economy started getting bad the first four years Bush was in office, you people put him back there to do this to you. So dont't blame Obama for trying to clean up his mess.

  • Anonymous  
    April 7, 2009 11:20 AM

    There have been several comments re mothers the fathers of whose children, as the popular phrase goes, "are not in the picture."

    Well. Those men had a choice to lie down with those women...or not..and an the women had equal choice to use birth control.

    Writers-in are talking as if one-parent children are a Brand New Thing and haven't existed since time began.

    Wake up.

    For the Believers, please save your proseletyzing for your church. We are here to discuss much-needed funds for poor people such as myself.
    I never thought in my life of 61 years that a monthly income of over $1,000 would be called poverty. It's not all that comparatively long ago that half that amount looked like a fortune and I managed to live fairly well and support not only myself but two cats.
    Nope, no husband. I don't have single-parent kids either, so the radical right who are wrong may now stop reaching for their keyboards.
    What I do have is a stack of debilitating illnesses, all of them incurable since I don't have fancy insurance. Just MediCare and MedicAid.
    Since nearly everyone else can go far afield from the Stated Topic, I feel free to chuck in a few details about MY situation.

    Would LOVE to see the politicians, particulary the gov of the Stte of CA where I live, attempt to survive on what my one cat and I now do. It's dizzying: medical expenses, rent, utilities, maintenance on my power chair since it's out of warranty and the much-publicized television commercial liars who bubble over with "you will have your very own chair with little or no cost to you..." of course if the thing breaks before one is eligible for a replacement and the chair is out of an exceedingly short warranty guess who gets to pick up the tab. Bingo.

    Next time I am eligible for a new chair I'm going to HoverRound. At least I haven't heard about snitty attitudes on the part of the employees, lies, refusal to issue the proper chair for an unfixably-disabled person.

    Now. I am overjoyed I'll be getting $250 in the mail some day. Little luxuries such as food, being able finally to re-foam and re-cover my futon couch, a new stratch tree for my four-footed companion will make it seem as if Christmas has come in May.

    One writer-in seemed to be complaining that the stimulus amount was too small...what does that person want, to buy a yacht? You want a yacht, go into politics and win a high office.

    Re the ANON comment just before mine, I did not vote for the former Senator Obama. You see I have this odd idea that presidents should be born in this country or one of its' territories.
    What it looks like for these old eyes is that Obama opened the door for California's Fuhrer Schwarzenegger to slide into the Big Chair in the Oval Office after Obama is voted out or finally admits he was born in Kenya.

    So I'm going to spend some of that check as fast as possible, stash the rest, and bald-faced lie as to the absence of any spare cash to any gov't agency which decides the man in the Big Chair wasn't really eligible after all so all the things he caused to happen will have to be rescinded.

    Yes I've gone miles off-topic, just the same as some writers. Anyone else who wants to do the same, look at this: I had to go to hospital by ambulance a while back. Three miles from home to hospital. A bill was levied for more than my months' income. FOR THREE MILES. True, the med tech did hook me up to an I V with saline, attach sensors for hearts' doings and have the kindness to talk to me during the short ride.

    I don't think it should cost so much.

    Lea.

  • BROKE TRUCK DRIVER  
    April 7, 2009 12:11 PM

    what the hell is 10 or 20$ DOLLARS GONNA DO FOR ME MAN? I DONT WANT THAT SH-T I'M SENDING IT BACK TELL BARAK OBAMA WHEN HE READY TO HELP LET ME KNOW .SH-T I VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE WOULD HELP! GET THE F--- OUT OF HERE WITH YA 10,15,20$ SH-T. MAN SHUT UP STOP LYING OBAMA YOU STARTING TO SOUND LIKE THE REST OF THE LIARS. ALL TALK, WE ARE POOR WE NEED HELP. STOP THE PRESS YOU SEND ME 10 FUNKY A-- DOLLARS AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE COOL WITH THAT F--- OFF. I'M MAD BLACK AND TIRED OF THE BULL S---! I AM A TRUCK DRIVER SAW THE DECLINE FROM THE BUSH ADMIN. HE IS NOT GOING TO CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING HE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A FEW OF YOUR DOLLARS BACK AND HOPE YOU GO AWAY. F--- THAT WITH EVERY OUNCE OF BREATHE I GOT! WHERE IS THE HELP? OK GET THEM BOYZ FROM OVER THERE 16 MONTHS NOW 19 MONTH STOP LYING SO MUCH AND DO SOMETHING, I KNOW THE POWERS THAT BE ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOU STOP GOV SPENDING. SO STOP LYING TO US!MESS YES WE KNOW THE MESS STARTED IN WASHNGTON THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD END. NOT IN MY LIVING ROOM, NOT AT OUR EXSPENSE! DO SOMETHING PRESIDENT OBAMA DO SOMEHTING QUICK.YOU SAID THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO DO THERE PART, WHAT THE F--- IS THAT WHEN YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH DIESEL OR GAS TO GET THERE!COME GET US OBAMA SEND THE BEAST TO PICK US UP. WISH I COULD RIDE OR FLY LIKE YOU DO.MAYBE IF YOU SHUT DOWN THE BEAST,AIR FORCE ONE,THAT DAM CHOPPER,GET YA ASS IN THAT OFFICE WE PUT YOU IN AND START SENDING SOME DAM CHECKS INSTEAD 10'15 DAM DOLLARS AT LEAST WITH A MESSED UP ECONOMY BUSH DID GIVE US A DAM CHECK THAT WE COULD SEE. ADD SOMETHING TO MY PAYCHECK AFTER YOU TAKE OUT SH-- THAT'S LIKE BEING INVITED TO DINNER AND IT AINT NOTHING THERE FOR YOU TO EAT, YOU JUST PAST 30 BURGER JOINT TO ANSWER THAT INVITATION THERE IS NO FOOD.I BEEN BAMBOOZELED LEAD ASTRAY BY A BLACK MAN. GOD BLESS AMERICA. I FEEL LIKE A HOOKER WITH TO MANY CLOTHES ON.OUT OF PLACE!

  • BROKE TRUCK DRIVER  
    April 7, 2009 12:20 PM

    SHUT UP YOU BIG DUMMY! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MIDDLE CLASS! EITHER YOU GOT IT OR YOU DONT IF YO A-- IS A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM THE POOR HOUSE THEN YO A-- IS PO NOT POOR YOU JUST A FEW HORSE GAMES AWAY FROM THE "OR". SO STOP LETTING THEM PACIFY YOU WITH THAT MIDDLE CLASS S---! PO' PEOPLE AND POOR PEOPLE NOW YALL THE SAME COLOR FO REAL YELLOW WITH A BIG A-- STRIPE DOWN YA BACK! YU FU YU!

  • BROKE TRUCK DRIVER  
    April 7, 2009 12:49 PM

    ONE LADIE SAID IT ONLY BENEFIT THOSE WHO DONT WANNA HELP THEMSELVE BULL-S--- CAUSE IF HE SENT YO BROKE A-- A CHECK YOU PROBABLY GON CARTWHEEL YA A-- DOWN THEM STAIRS HAPPY AS A SISSY WITH A BAG OF D---'-. COME ON PO' PEOPLE. YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO WHERE WELL OFF INVESTING IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY COUPLE MORE HORSE GAMES WE KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO. WE WILL SURVIVE A GREAT DEPRESSION,NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETZ PEOPLE STILL WANNA GET HIGH? MAKE ALCOHOL ILLEGAL AGAIN WE WILL TURN IT INTO A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE.THE KID'S DID IT WITH RAP,R&B,DANCE, CLOTHING,VIDEO GAMES, THE KENNEDY'S DID IT OUR GOVERNMENT DID THE PEOPLE DID IT. MAKE IT HOW IT IS MORE MONEY IN THE GHETTO.THAN IN THAT FAKE A-- HOOD YOU CALL MIDDLE CLASS, IT IS JUST AN ELUSION!

  • Anonymous  
    April 14, 2009 1:09 PM

    Does anyone think that the tax break we will see on our paychecks for now, the government wont be asking for it back when we do our 2009 taxes. They will say well you didnt pay enough taxes for the year now we want our money back and if we have never paid taxes before will be paying all that money back.

  • Anonymous  
    April 16, 2009 2:43 PM

    So I'm Lost are we or are we not getting a 400 dollar check in the mail?

  • Denise  
    April 17, 2009 8:42 AM

    what if i am currently not working or receiving unemployment

  • PAT  
    April 21, 2009 5:02 PM

    My ex (legally separated 14 years) who is a retired teacher and does not qualify for SS payments, and was rejected for SS payments when I collected, due to high amount of his retirement pension-received notification that he will be getting the $250 SS stimulus check.
    How is this?

  • Anonymous  
    April 22, 2009 11:58 PM

    Greed has killed America Other countries are laughing at us. Our idols are drugged up hillbilly movie stars and atheletes,Only a few of these people actually give back something to the country that pays them obscene amounts of money,and makes excuses for them when they get dui and drug arrests The ceos of major banks . oil companies, insurance companies and drug manufacturing companies should be taken out and shot for the havoc they have caused because of their greed.Of course most government officials are included too. I just heard the government has voted a huge budget raise for the IRS so they can continue to milk our last few dollars.Meanwhile they lay off teachers and cut school budgets so we will have a generation of stupid people in the comming years. In Las Vegas, the dropout rate this year hit a record high. More stupid peaple with their hands out for welfare in the comming years. During WW1 there was a sharpshooter every quarter mile on the Mexican boarder that was told to shoot to kill anything trying to enter the US Another thing is for America to stop trying to save the world. We budget huge amounts of money to countries who spit on our flag. The money gets absorbed by the elite few in those countries because we do not care who rips us off after we get our gold star for being able to say WE GIVE There are rip off companies operating right now in Iran and Afganistan that are overbilling and ripping us off cause no one is monitoring them I am sure I just saved billions of dollars just now The rich in this country look down their noses at us workers.THEY do not want a flat tax cause it is more fun to manipulate our tax laws and pay nothing They hid their money like little babies rather than man up and pay their share Good old Jew bernie Madoff should be drawn and quartered as well as his whole family tree.Do you know most of the people he ripped off were Jews too? THEY were offended cause they thought he would NEVER rip his own kind off HA HA Hence the expression GREEDY JEW I aam sure there are many undetected Bernie Madoffs in our country we will never know aboutThanx for the GREED guys DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANY BETTER THAN US WORKING STIFFS? What goes around comes around I HOPE AND PRAY

  • Anonymous  
    April 23, 2009 12:06 AM

    By the way,these lying illegals with social security numbers JUST got busted using middle school students in Puerto Rico by appling for SS numbers without the students knowing about this The illegals get a SS card with a hispanic name Isnt that clever?

  • Anonymous  
    April 23, 2009 12:10 AM

    When you become an American dont you raise your hand and repeat an oath saying you will abide by and uphold the laws of this country? All these LEGAL illegals that help their illegal friends and relatives beat our system should be charged with TREASON for aiding and abetting illegals

  • Anonymous  
    April 28, 2009 1:28 PM

    Tax cuts don't stimulate the economy. As they found with the $600 stimulus payments in 2008, people just save the money, so really the government needs to spend, spend, spend, until the economy is back on its feet. Same way with businesses--since times are lean, they are not going to invest, but will just pocket the money.

  • Anonymous  
    May 7, 2009 7:43 PM

    Just let the economy be, as it is, we KNOW little bits wont help, and we know the usa cant afford to hand out alot to pull us all out so wtf is the point. I dont care for government but then again they cant ALL be crooked right. Um, nonetheless, let it sit the way it is hand out 0, i wouldntaccpet it cause i KNOW it wont help no point then PLUS id be taking something that people now would be paying back in years to come that didnt see anything NOW from it how can we ALL help change this if theyve excluded people hahahahahahaaahahahahahaha either way take ur money who does, and get a few 6 packs then at least watch the usa contunue on this path with a beer in hand CHEERS

  • Anonymous  
    May 9, 2009 2:01 AM

    TAX CREDITS ARE FINE FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY WHO ARE ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND DONT FILE TAXES. THEY GET NOTHING OUT OF THIS. THEY SHOULD GET A SECOND STIMULAS PAYMENT TO EQUAL THE TAX CREDITS.

  • Anonymous  
    May 10, 2009 2:37 AM

    I think Obama has the right idea as far as lowering the tax for workers. People on SSI, OR disability will get a check, but we only get an increase of thirteen dollars on our pay checks. Not to sound predjudice or racist, but has any american citizen looked around lately? Who owns all of the small businesses that could help the unemployment rate. Why in the world does the United states give foriegners all of the tax breaks, drive around and see it for yourself, Americans don't run anything. And check this out. For many of the foreign owned businesses have silent American partners that are reaping the same benefits. More importantly, did you know that money for education is almost impossible. I know for a fact, that they get money for education faster than us americans. We really need to look at the big big picture and get it together. I am willing to bet if we change this the American Economy will grow and jobs will become available. OBAMA, I LOVE YOU, but please take a look into this. I am tired of riding around Illinois and on every corner, we have businessess with owners and employees that can't even speak English. The funniest thing that I have seen lately in my neighborhood is when I go into the Korean nail shop to get my nails done, I can go to the counter and get a bootleg movie for 5 bucks. They even show you how good the movie shows on an actual DVD, and guess what, the DOLTON police department is right down the street and they have been doing it for years.

  • Lea  
    May 11, 2009 12:45 PM

    GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS:

    Slightly off-topic at least here at the beginning, but it ties it, honestly it does.

    Big Gov't, in January, gave those of us who depend on SSI or SSA$$ an incredibly generous Cost Of Living Adjustment (COLA)of a whopping 5.8% of then-current income!
    I was pleased, of course, but also just a bit suspicious since the 5.8% COLA was the largest, excepting one in a forgotten year that came to 4.1%.

    Then those people surviving somehow on SSI got $30, $40, or more yanked out of their subsistence checks.
    A great number of SSI recipients ended up with LESS income than they had before the 5.8COLA.

    Rumors are flying again as to the possibility of taxing SSI/SSA despite the fact the taxes on those dollars have already been paid.
    But that story appears every once in a while and it's a tale for another time.

    I who live on SSA (Disabled Person) income am worried: will the $250 check for a person unable to work be classed as income??
    It seems that's the way the COLA worked for SSI recipients...

    This is Big Brother-ism at its' worst, that is worst so far.

    Except, that is, for the fact that I've read in several places SSI and SSA people will get NO COLA in 2010 and 2011.

    Will the faux president send US a bailout in the form of another check of around $250 or so for those two years?
    Why is the former Senator Obama emulating Ronald Reagan who one year decreed from his throne on high that there would be no COLA that year, a little event that had no damping-down effect on the rate of inflation??

    Side note, I'm living in supposedly low-cost housing here in Northern CA. I'm sorry but I don't call a fee for over half my income "low cost" housing. As I've said in previous posts I live alone except for one cat.

    My problem is I didn't help to overpopulate the world with 4 or 5 kids of my own and thereby become eligible for truly subsidized housing, a nifty lil program for over-kidded mothers called Section Eight.

    Of course now I'd have 4 or 5 kids, and how in the world would I feed, house, clothe, and educate them?

    I hope my $250 check comes soon and also that an equal to that check amount isn't yanked out of my SSA check.

    Corporations own Big Gov't and Big Gov't owns the people dependent on it for pennies...I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a smaller SSA check in June.

    Amazing how this stuff still rolls downhill, isn't it?

    Lea.

  • stim. check  
    May 21, 2009 2:48 PM

    Nice summary on all of the options and possibilities of the stim. package thing that obama signed.

    people really would have rather got 1 check, it seems like ppl see having 1 lump sum then spread out payments over time.

  • Anonymous  
    May 29, 2009 12:28 AM

    We got a stimulus check the first time the government came up with this "brilliant idea" only to be told that we had to repay it when we did our taxes this year... that was absolutely ridiculous... why even bother giving it to us in the first place? Just to waste paper.

    What the government really needs to do is make credit card companies lower the darn interest rates they charge their customers because they are so exaggeratedly high that customers can't even pay their minimum balances sometimes. I have been paying MORE than the minimum payment on a card that I owe $5,000 to and 5 years later of paying every single month on time I STILL over over 4500. If it wasn't for the super high interest I would have already cleared this balance. People can't spend any money because they are too busy paying interest on credit cards.

    We end up paying interest and interest and the balances never get any lower and that's why some people just stop paying. Some would argue that the reason the interest rates are so high in the first place is because of all those people who have defaulted on their cards... well high interest rates are just going to cause even MORE people to default because they cant keep up with these interest rates. Good people actually want to pay so why not make it easier for them to be ABLE to pay. When people can get their debt out of the way they are more willing and ABLE to spend more money on other things.

  • Anonymous  
    June 9, 2009 3:33 PM

    bottom line is, ssi is needed as well as social secruity checks. the worse thing is cutting the checks for disability. thank god for obama stimulus. and we know who's responeable for are check cut.every low income needs to be raise. rent is to high in long beach, ca. price of food has went up alot kownbody is struggleing in the white. parent of disable 3 year old with a inplanted pacemaker.

  • Anonymous  
    June 9, 2009 4:03 PM

    sorry, know one is struggleing in the white house, may god bless low income americans. " help " mom of a 3yrs old disable child. on top of my little boy loosing his foot. in children millers hospital in long beach, ca it hurts me everyday. that shouldn't have happen. he can't go bear footed out doors or stand in the bath tub without falling, are have if feet on summer day when it's real hot it's never a shoe that fits right we need more money. parent of a disable 3yrs old again. god bless us. and have to wear three socks when it's cold. sad but we pray every day and all day.

  • Anonymous  
    July 15, 2009 4:02 PM

    I would rather have my payment as it was last year instead of a little ever month... that sux

  • Andy  
    July 24, 2009 1:45 PM

    Also here is some updated information from the IRS reminding tax payers to take advantage of these credits in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA)and boost the economy:

    All of these incentives have expiration dates (as shown in the post) so taxpayers should take advantage of them while they can.

    First-Time Homebuyer Credit

    The Recovery Act extended and expanded the first-time homebuyer tax credit for 2009. Taxpayers who didn’t own a principal residence during the past three years and purchase a home this year before Dec. 1 can receive a credit of up to $8,000 on either an original or amended 2008 tax return, or a 2009 return. But the purchase must close before Dec. 1, 2009, and an eligible taxpayer cannot claim the credit until after the closing date. This credit phases out at higher income levels, and different rules apply to home purchases made in 2008.

    New Vehicle Purchase Incentive

    ARRA also provides a tax break to taxpayers who make qualified new vehicle purchases after Feb. 16, 2009, and before Jan. 1, 2010.

    Qualifying taxpayers can deduct the state and local sales and excise taxes paid on the purchase of new cars, light trucks, motor homes and motorcycles. There is no limit on the number of vehicles that may be purchased, and you may claim the deduction for taxes paid on multiple purchases. But the deduction per vehicle is limited to the tax on up to $49,500 of the purchase price of each qualifying vehicle and phases out for taxpayers at higher income levels. This deduction is available regardless of whether a taxpayer itemizes deductions on Schedule A.

    Energy-Efficient Home Improvements

    The Recovery Act also encourages homeowners to make their homes more energy efficient. The credit for nonbusiness energy property is increased for homeowners who make qualified energy-efficient improvements to existing homes. The law increases the rate to 30 percent of the cost of all qualifying improvements and raises the maximum credit limit to a total of $1,500 for improvements placed in service in 2009 and 2010. Qualifying improvements include the addition of insulation, energy-efficient exterior windows and energy-efficient heating and air conditioning systems.

    Tax Credit for First Four Years of College

    The American opportunity credit is designed to help parents and students pay part of the cost of the first four years of college. The new credit modifies the existing Hope credit for tax years 2009 and 2010, making it available to a broader range of taxpayers, including many with higher incomes and those who owe no tax. Tuition, related fees, books and other required course materials generally qualify. Many of those eligible will qualify for the maximum annual credit of $2,500 per student.

    Making Work Pay and Withholding

    The Making Work Pay Credit lowered tax withholding rates this year for 120 million American households. However, particular taxpayers who fall into any of the following groups should review their tax withholding rates to ensure enough tax is withheld, including multiple job holders, families in which both spouses work, workers who can be claimed as dependents by other taxpayers and pensioners. Failure to adjust your withholding could result in potentially smaller refunds or in limited instances may cause you to owe tax rather than receive a refund next year. So far in 2009, the average refund amount is $2,675, and 79 percent of all returns received a refund.

  • Vacuum Advance  
    August 18, 2009 10:30 PM

    I am planning to but a new car this coming year. So if there would be tax deductions on new cars, that would be great for me and for other people who are interested in buying new ones. With these tax deduction, the auto industry can even rice up from its downfall coz this will encourage a lot of buyers to buy cars.

  • Anonymous  
    November 10, 2009 1:51 PM

    I was wondering is this going to mess up on our income tax 09-10? With the taxes coming out of the paycheck. Will our kids still get there money through the taxes? How does it work? Do we still file?

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