2010 Extension of $8,000 First Plus New $6500 Existing Home Buyer Tax Credit From the 2009 Stimulus Package and Increase in Income Limits
[Update Jan 2010] Following Congress approval, President Obama has signed off on the bill approving an extension of the $8,000 new home buyer tax credit until April 30th 2010. Also, the new provisions in the extension are NOT retroactive. Here is a summary of the new and updated provisions and their impact on you if you have or are planning to buy a house. New IRS forms and claiming instructions are also provided.
- Qualification Period : First-time home buyers who bought after January 1, 2009 and before April 1 2010 (with closing to take place before July 1 2010), would get the $8,000 home buyer tax credit. For the purposes of claiming the tax credit, the purchase date is the date when closing occurs and the title to the property transfers to the home owner. If you and your spouse claim the credit on a joint return (both of you must meet the income and past ownership criteria to qualify), each spouse is treated as having been allowed half of the credit for purposes of repaying the credit. So the total amount claimable is still only $8000 (up to April 30th 2010).
- Income qualification limits: The home buyers’ credit would be available to individuals with a modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) of up to $125,000, or $250,000 for couples, up from $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for couples under the original rules. The higher income limits are only for homes purchased after Nov. 6, 2009. That is, the existing MAGI phase-outs of $75,000 to $95,000 or $150,000 to $170,000 for joint filers still apply to purchases on or before Nov. 6, 2009. Those with incomes higher than the above limits do not qualify for any part of the tax credit.
- *NEW* Current Homeowners looking for a replacement primary residence could also qualify for a $6,500 (up to $3,250 for a married individual filing separately) under the new “long-time resident” provision. They must have lived in the same principal residence for any five-consecutive year period during the eight-year period that ended on the date the replacement home is purchased. This new provision also only applies to homes purchased after Nov. 6th 2009. The IRS has stepped up compliance checks involving the home buyer credit for those with past homes and they must provide a mortgage Interest Statement, Property tax records or Homeowner’s insurance records, to prove compliance with past residency criteria.
- Claiming the new home buyer credit: For qualifying purchases, taxpayers have the option of claiming the credit on either their 2009 or 2010 return. A new version of Form 5405, First-Time Home buyer Credit, is now available on the IRS website. Taxpayers claiming the credit on their 2009 returns, will not be able to file electronically because of the added documentation requirements, but instead will need to file a paper return by using the new version of Form 5405. A taxpayer who purchased a home on or before Nov. 6 and chooses to claim the credit on an original or amended 2008 return may continue to use the current version of Form 5405.
In addition to filling out a Form 5405, all eligible home buyers must include with their 2009 tax returns one of the following documents in order to receive the credit:
- A copy of the settlement statement showing all parties' names and signatures, property address, sales price, and date of purchase. Normally, this is the properly executed Form HUD-1, Settlement Statement.
- For mobile home purchasers who are unable to get a settlement statement, a copy of the executed retail sales contract showing all parties' names and signatures, property address, purchase price and date of purchase.
- For a newly constructed home where a settlement statement is not available, a copy of the certificate of occupancy showing the owner’s name, property address and date of the certificate.
The IRS expects to start processing 2009 tax returns claiming the home buyer credit in mid-February after it completes the updating and testing of systems to meet the law’s new requirements and to deter fraud related to the home buyer credit. Normally, it takes about four to eight weeks to get a refund claimed on a complete and accurate paper return where all required documents are attached. For those homebuyers filing early, the IRS expects the first refunds based on the homebuyer credit will be issued toward the end of March.
- The new $8000 credit can be used towards the down payment of a house bought in the credit qualifying period. You need to work with your lender to take advantage of this provision.
- Tax Credit Exclusions: Homes that cost more than $800,000 aren’t eligible for the credit and you must be over 18 years old to claim the credit (dependents are not eligible to claim the credit either). Those who sell their new home or stop using it as their main residence within three years would have to repay the credit. You cannot claim the credit if acquired your home by gift or inheritance OR if you acquired your home from a related person
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- If two or more unmarried individuals buy a main home, they can allocate the credit among the individual owners using any reasonable method. The total amount allocated cannot exceed the smaller of $8,000 or 10% of the purchase price. Note: A reasonable method is any method that does not allocate all or a part of the credit to a co-owner who is not eligible to claim that part of the credit (I would go with 50/50 as a reasonable method if one person is not eligible for the credit)
- The purchase date is how you decide which credit you are eligible for. Only homes purchased from Jan 1 2009 to April 1st 2010 are eligible for the fully refundable $8000 credit. If you constructed your main home, you are treated as having purchased it on the date you first occupied it.
- Foreign or Overseas Homes: You are considered a first time home buyer when buying an American residence, even if you owned principal residence outside of the United States within the previous three years. Non-resident alien's cannot claim the credit.
- Members of the Armed Forces and certain federal employees serving outside the U.S. have an extra year to buy a principal residence in the U.S. and still qualify for the credit. An eligible taxpayer must buy or enter into a binding contract to buy a home by April 30, 2011, and settle on the purchase by June 30, 2011.
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For more on all the 2009 tax credits and criteria see: 2009 Federal Income Tax Guide Features All The Stimulus Recovery Tax Break Details; Which Can Help People Save When Filing Returns in 2010
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[Previous Update] Senate votes 98-0 to extend the $8,000 first-time/new home buyer tax credit until April 30, 2010. House to vote by the end of the week, with President to sign into law before Thanksgiving.
A number of people are wondering if the $8000 new home buyer credit (detailed in the updates below) expiring on November 30th will be extended to all home buyers, and potentially increased to $15,000. This is particularly the case if they are considering a purchase in the next few months because they must go through the whole home buying process and close before the end date. Well, Bloomberg news reports that according to Senator Bill Nelson of Florida (D), Senate leaders are negotiating to extend and gradually reduce the $8,000 first home buyer tax credit through 2010. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus of Montana, both Democrats are seeking to add the home buyers extension to legislation extending unemployment benefits for 14 weeks.
The Senate bill to extend the credit contains the following new provisions:
- First-time home buyers who close before April 1 would get the full $8,000, and the credit’s value would be reduced by $2,000 in each successive quarter until expiring at the end of the year.
- The plan would extend the credit, due to expire Nov. 30, to home purchases under contract by April 30, 2010, with borrowers allowed another 60 days to close the sale, according to a person familiar with the details of the agreement.
- Current Homeowners looking for a new home could also qualify for a $6,500 credit if they have lived in their existing primary residence for at least five years
- The home buyers’ credit would be available to individuals earning up to $125,000, or $250,000 for couples, up from $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for couples under the current law.
- Tax Credit Exclusions: Homes that cost more than $800,000 aren’t eligible for the credit and you must be over 18 years old to claim the credit. Those who sell their new home or stop using it as their main residence within three years would have to repay the credit.
More than 1.2 million borrowers through Oct. 9 have claimed almost $8.5 billion of the $13.6 billion set aside for “first-time” home buyer tax credits this year. The program is aimed at easing the worst housing slump since the Great Depression and has been credited with boosting the economy and stock markets over summer. See this update and details below for the various bills under consideration to extend this tax credit.
Lawmakers are under pressure from real estate agents, mortgage brokers and home builders to extend the $8,000 credit before it expires Nov. 30. However, they are also facing pressure from governance groups and recent IRS reports claiming widespread fraud around claims for this lucrative credit. The IRS has identified 73,799 claims totaling almost $504 million that may not be from first-time home buyers. They also found that 582 taxpayers under 18 years old and ineligible to buy a home claimed almost $4 million in credits.
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[Updated October 2009] A number of people are wondering if the $8000 new home buyer credit (detailed below) expiring on December 1st will be extended to all home buyers, and potentially increased to $15,000. This is particularly the case if they are considering a purchase in the next few months because they must go through the whole home buying process and close before the end date. Further the stabilization of the housing market due to the 2008 credit and unprecedented success of the extended cash for clunkers program has shown that stimulus payments that directly help consumers seem to have the most impact. This means that the extension of the $8,000 tax credit for first-time buyers will be a hotly debated topic in Washington over the next few months. There is a reasonable chance (particularly if the housing market falters again) that the credit will get a second life and be extended for another six to 12 months, taking pressure off buyers, realty agents and settlement companies.
An extension of the $8,000 U.S. homebuyer tax credit is gaining support in the Senate as bill sponsor John Isakson said he is rallying lawmakers to continue a program that helped boost home sales by more than 1 million. “I’m working the floor now to make everyone aware that the $8,000 credit sunsets” Isakson, a Georgia Republican. His legislation would extend the program through the end of 2010, almost double the credit to $15,000 and remove restrictions that prohibit individuals who already own homes or earn $75,000 - $150,000 for couples - from getting the tax break. The bill, first introduced in June 2009, failed in a 47-50 Senate vote in August.
Even President Obama is reviewing an extenstion of the bill with White House spokesman Robert Gibbs telling reporters today that President's economic team is looking at the tax credit and “evaluating the impact” on new home sales. “Through that evaluation we’ll come to something to give the president a recommendation,” Gibbs said.
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As reported in the Washington post the two biggest housing trade groups - the 1.2 million-member National Association of Realtors and the National Association of Home Builders - are mounting unusually intense lobbying campaigns to make the case for extending the credit, and maybe even expanding it (to $15,000 per the original bill). The effort is targeted first at the districts of members of the two tax-writing bodies, the House Ways and Means and Senate Finance committees, but is expected to cover most other members of Congress as well, according to officials of the two groups. Delegations of home builders and realty brokers already have begun descending on district offices, delivering what Jerry Howard, president and chief executive of the builders association, calls "the hard economic facts." They are the numbers of houses sold in each congressman's district that are attributable to the tax credit; the economic ripple effects on local businesses, manufacturers and service industries; the number of new jobs and income generated; plus the additional tax revenue that all this activity will help produce for local governments.On a national basis, according to economists at the National Association of Realtors, anywhere from 300,000 to 350,000 additional sales of houses will be stimulated this year by the credit. Each home sale generates about $63,000 in downstream "ripple effects" elsewhere in the economy, they say. That includes sales of furnishings, appliances, lawn mowers, landscaping and renovation materials, plus moving expenses. If you accept the numbers - and some analysts consider them a stretch - this means the housing credit provides a powerful, immediate stimulus bang for the buck. Failure to extend what may be one of the most effective pieces of the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus legislation would cost jobs, economic growth and tax revenues, the housing groups argue.
But can any of this happen before the December 1st deadline? The key complicating factor here is Congress's heavy load of higher-profile, pressing issues (like health-care reform) that will get attention before anything else in September and October. On top of that, a tax-credit extension would cost billions in lost revenue - a big negative when the federal budget deficit is already wallowing in a record amount of red ink. In the end, however, given the political economics of the housing credit, the odds favor some sort of extension, probably later rather than sooner. But don't bank on it and if you are ready to purchase a home then do so sooner rather than later.
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[Updated June 2009] First-time home buyers can now use the $8,000 first home federal tax credit (detailed in previous update below) to help cover down payment and other upfront costs if they are taking out a loan backed by the Federal Housing Administration. (see FHA loan vs Conventional Loan differences). The $8,000 tax credit was made available months ago as part of the Obama administration's stimulus package in an effort to motivate would-be buyers and jump-start the housing market. But home buyers cannot claim the tax credit until they close on their homes, and then they must wait for weeks, possibly months, after filing their tax returns to receive the money.
To help buyers who need the cash upfront, FHA is allowing private lenders, state housing agencies and some nonprofit groups to offer loans secured by the tax credit. The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which includes FHA, estimates that this tax credit advance will enable tens of thousands of families to buy homes. Under HUD's plan, buyers cannot use the tax credit advance to pay the 3.5 percent down payment FHA mortgages require if they get the advance from a private lender. They can use it to add to that down payment or help defray closing costs.
[Updated May 14 2009] The IRS has now issued an updated Form 5405 which rules on a number of questions raised around the 2009 ($8000) and 2008 ($7500) home buyer tax credits. Here are some of the key IRS Rulings and other answers applicable to the the 200+ questions I received on this credit:
__________- The Credit can be claimed in this year's tax return by filing an amendment using Form 5405. Qualifying taxpayers who buy a home this year before Dec. 1 can get up to $8,000, or $4,000 for married filing separately.
- The new $8000 credit can be used towards the down payment of a house bought in the credit qualifying period. You need to work with your lender to take advantage of this provision.- Unfortunately you still have to pay back the existing $7,500 credit (for homes bought between April 8, 2008, and before December 31, 2008). Unlike the $8,000 credit passed recently, the existing credit was not made retroactive. You generally must repay the credit over a 15-year period in 15 equal installments, starting in 2010
- To be eligible for the home buyer credit, your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) must be less than $95,000 or $170,000 (if married filing jointly) for the relevant tax year. The phase-out of the credit begins when your MAGI exceeds $75,000 or $150,000 (married filing jointly), meaning the amount of credit received decreases after these limits.
- You cannot claim the credit if acquired your home by gift or inheritance OR if you acquired your home from a related person
- If you and your spouse claim the credit on a joint return, each spouse is treated as having been allowed half of the credit for purposes of repaying the credit. So the total amount claimable is still $8000.- [Recent Update] If you are married joint filers, both partners must meet the first-time home buyer criteria. This is to prevent double dipping, but is biased against married couples since single filers also get the $8000 credit. So if you are planning to get married this year to someone who has owned a home - you may want to buy a home first and get married in 2010.
- If two or more unmarried individuals buy a main home, they can allocate the credit among the individual owners using any reasonable method. The total amount allocated cannot exceed the smaller of $7,500 ($8,000 if you purchased your home in 2009) or 10% of the purchase price. Note: A reasonable method is any method that does not allocate all or a part of the credit to a co-owner who is not eligible to claim that part of the credit (I would go with 50/50 as a reasonable method if one person is not eligible for the credit)- The purchase date is how you decide which credit you are eligible for. Only homes purchase from Jan 1 2009 to Dec 1 2009 are eligible for the fully refundable $8000 credit. If you constructed your main home, you are treated as having purchased it on the date you first occupied it.
[Update Feb 18 2009] President Obama has now signed into law the $787 billion economic-recovery package. Unfortunately certain tax breaks, including the homer buyer tax credit, were scaled back to $8,000 (from the proposed $15,000) to get sufficient support for the stimulus bill's approval. This is $500 more than the current home buyer tax credit (outlined below), but will only be available for qualifying home purchases this year between January 1, 2009 and December 1, 2009. Buyers who bought houses last year are still covered under the existing $7,500 home owner credit.
The Senate's proposal to make this credit available to anyone regardless of income was also dropped and like the original $7,500 home owner tax will phase out for single taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes that exceed $75,000 (or $150,000 for married couples filing jointly). Further, if you sell the home within three years, you’ll forfeit the credit (or have to pay it back it you already claimed it).
However, the final stimulus plan did leave in the key provision that would eliminate the repayment requirement for the tax credit for first-time home buyers. This means that the home buyer tax break is a true tax credit and not a deduction, so will be an actual $8000 reduction on your next tax bill. If you don't owe that much and purchased a house in the qualifying period, you get a check back from the IRS.
See the comments below for more lots more question and answers.FAQs on the New and Existing Home Buyer Tax Credit
I have received a lot of questions and over 70 comments on this post about the 2009 first-time home buyer tax credit. There are still details to be worked out and rulings to be made by the IRS, but here are some of the common questions and my answers.
Q: Will home buyers who made purchases last year between April 9 and Dec. 31, 2008 be eligible for the new credit? Or is the old $7,500 credit, which currently needs to be repaid, going to also be made exempt from repayment?
Answer: No. They will continue to be covered by the original $7,500 tax credit enacted last year for first-time home buyers. They still have to repay this amount based on the updated form 5405 guidelines.Q: Can I claim the $8000 home buyer tax credit in my 2008 returns?
A: Yes. You can include it in your 2008 returns via form 5405. If you have already filed your 2008 taxes, you can file an amendment or adjust your paycheck withholding for the credit amount so that your take home pay for the rest of the 2009 is higher (For example, $8000 over 8 months, is an extra $1000 in your monthly paycheck). Qualifying taxpayers who buy a home this year before Dec. 1 can get up to $8,000, or $4,000 for married filing separately.Q: If we bought in July of 2008, but have not used the credit, can we use the new proposed credit? If not, can I claim the difference between the old credit and new credit?
A: No. The current $8,000 credit is only for homes purchased this year. You can only claim the old $7,500 credit. However if you bought your house in January or February of 2009 and had already filed your returns under the old credit, you would eligible to file an amendment for claiming the additional $500 under the new credit.Q: I am interested to know if the credit will be available to those putting down 3.5% as per FHA loans or if a 5% down payment is still required ?
A: No concrete word on the down payment requirement, but since the Senate proposal for a 15K housing credit was dropped I assume their 5% requirement was also dropped and that the current 3.5% FHA limit would stay in place. Also, remember the FHA loan has certain other criteria to meet which all borrowers may not qualify for. If you do get a loan through your bank or broker most likely you will need a 10 to 20% down payment in any case.
Q: Now that the bill is finalized. If I co-buy a house with someone who is not a first time home buyer. Can I claim the whole credit?
A: Qualifying taxpayers who buy a home this year before Dec. 1 can get up to $8,000, or $4,000 for married filing separately. If two or more unmarried individuals buy a main home, they can allocate the credit among the individual owners using any reasonable method. The total amount allocated cannot exceed the smaller of $7,500 ($8,000 if you purchased your home in 2009) or 10% of the purchase price. Note: A reasonable method is any method that does not allocate all or a part of the credit to a co-owner who is not eligible to claim that part of the credit (I would go with 50/50 as a reasonable method if one person is not eligible for the credit)
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[Update Feb 7th 2009] I received a lot of comments on an earlier article discussing details of the $800/$400 tax rebate under the economic recovery stimulus package. This is not surprising given the adverse economic climate and the large number of beneficiaries of the rebate. Another wide ranging item in the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus package, that has garnered as many questions and interest in the media, is the proposed $15,000 first-time home buyer (owner) tax credit. This proposal aims to double the existing $7,500 first time home buyer credit in addition to making it available to all and removing the obligation to pay it back in subsequent tax years.
Firstly, here is an outline of the current home owner credit and income thresholds:
The current home buyer credit (enacted last year) is equal to 10% of a properties purchase price up to $7,500, or $3,750.for a single filer. It works by reducing the 2009 tax liability OR as a credit to those who don't owe sufficient taxes. A "first-time home buyer" is a person or couple who had no ownership interest in a principal residence in the United States during the three years ended on the purchase date of the residence for which the credit is claimed. Thus, someone who formerly owned a home, then rented for several years, could qualify. The purchase must be on or after April 9, 2008, and before July 1, 2009.Although the current home buyer credit is termed a refundable tax credit, it is essentially an interest-free loan that must be repaid in equal amounts over 15 years, starting the year after the credit is claimed. The credit is available to joint filers with modified adjusted gross income below $150,000 and phases out once income exceeds $170,000. For single filers, the numbers are $75,000 and $95,000.
The Obama administration felt that the current home owner tax credit was not sufficient to revive the ailing housing market and as a result strongly pushed for a doubling of it in the 2009 economic stimulus package.
Key aspects of the Increased Home Buyer Tax Credit:
- The stimulus plan (called a bill while in Congress) currently has 2 versions - The House version (aligned with what President Obama really wants) and the recently approved Senate version. The House bill did not change the tax credit amount, but added conditions that it would no longer require repayment. The Senate version of the home buyer tax credit raises the amount to $15,000, but you can only receive the credit if you owe federal income taxes. The final bill that the president signs will most likely combine the higher home buyer tax credit amount with minimal no repayment required. [I will update when this is finalized]
- If you have already used the current $7,500 home buyer tax credit, you cannot claim the $15,000 credit as well. The tax credit cannot be used to buy a second home either.
- Under the $15,000 Senate version of the home buyer tax credit provision, there are no income limits, unlike the current home owner tax credit which has a $150,000 income limit. Those who purchased a home in 2009 can claim the credit on their 2008 taxes (assuming the bill is approved in time).
- Home buyers would have two years to claim the tax credit, so buyers could claim a $7,500 credit in 2009 and a $7,500 credit in 2010. Because the Senate's version of the home buyer tax credit is paid against taxes owed, tax payers will benefit more than those with low incomes (who have a lower tax liability). Put another way, to get the full benefit of the home buyer tax credit, you would have to have tax liabilities of more than $15,000 (over 2 years).
- A 5% down payment (as opposed to the current 3.5% FHA limit) would be required to get the $15,000 tax credit.
- Even though the tax credit does not require repayment, buyers will have to pay it back if they sell the house less than two years after they buy it. This is to prevent investors and "flippers" from benefiting from this tax credit
- The new tax credit would take effect when the economic stimulus bill is signed by the president into law, and it would last for one year. It is expected that a final version of the stimulus package bill will be signed by the President on February 16th - President's day.
[Update] See this article for an overview of the key tax breaks in the final economic stimulus package. Also, read this post for more on Obama's $75 Billion Mortgage Modification Plan.
Related:
~ $1 Trillion Revised Bank Bailout & Housing Rescue Plan
~ Should I Refinance my Mortgage and Do I Qualify
~ A look at the Pros and Cons of Reverse Mortgages
~ Paying off your mortgage - what would you do with the spare cash?
~ Key Dates and Deadlines to Receive Economic Stimulus Working ($800/$400), Social ($250), Home ($8000), Vehicle Tax Credits and Payments
~ $300M Cash for Appliances Stimulus Rebate Program Covering Air Conditioners to Refrigerators to Washers
~ Taxes and Gains I Can Exclude When Selling My Home
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February 11, 2009 5:45 AM
Thanks for the post, but it's a tad confusing. So, because I actually get a refund every year, and do not owe additional taxes due to my with holding being correct I can no longer claim this credit?
That seems like rewarding people to be in debt.. and seems retarded. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the post though.
Not having to pay back the refund would be awesome though. I'll have to read up on this some more.
February 11, 2009 9:11 AM
Penny Seeds - I see what you mean. As I see it, you can either adjust your witholding for the extra $15K tax credit you will recieve after buying your house. Or you will get the credit in your 2008 or 2009 tax return. If you have no taxes due, the 15K should be paid back to you in cash (IRS Check).
There may be one twist depending on the final bill. The Senate version may require the taxable income adjusted by the 15K credit amount. This will mean you still get a credit, but it could be tied to your tax rate. I.e Some one in the 28% bracket will benefit more than someone in the 15% bracket.
February 11, 2009 11:34 AM
Great. We are going to give even more money to people that cannot afford to buy a home or even worse will never pay back the money. I worked hard to pay off my home without any government assistance, and this is the reward I get. Seriously, we are becoming a coplete bailout nation. Where is personal accountability and achievement gone. Our kids are going to grow up in completely non-capatilistic society.
February 11, 2009 11:53 AM
A tax credit directly reduces your tax, dollar for dollar. If you are supposed to pay $5,000 in tax, a $500 tax credit reduces your tax to $4,500. On the other hand, a tax deduction reduces your taxable income, which indirectly reduces your tax. If you are supposed to pay $5,000 in tax, a $500 tax deduction reduces your taxable income by $500. If you are in the 15% marginal tax bracket, it reduces your tax by only $500 * 15% = $75. Therefore a $100 tax credit is worth a lot more than a $100 tax deduction.
A refundable tax credit can reduce your total tax to a negative number, which means the government pays you. For example suppose your total tax before the tax credit is $1,500, a $2,000 refundable tax credit means you not only get back everything you paid through tax withholding, but you also get an extra $500 back from the government
Source : Finance Buff ( http://thefinancebuff.com/2009/02/refundable-tax-credit-and-non-refundable-tax-credit.html )
February 11, 2009 12:49 PM
So is this retroactive from the original date of last year (April 2008), or does it only apply to people who buy houses from the day the stiumulus plan is passed? We bought our house in Sep. of 2008 and already received the $7,500 credit for that when we did our taxes last week. Does that mean if the $15,000 passes that we can file an ammendment to get the other $7,500?
February 11, 2009 2:38 PM
I bought my house in 2009 and using the provisions in the 2008 version elected to say it was sold dec. 31 2008 so that I could recieve the money on my 2008 return.
If I file an amendment and repay the 7500 would I be eligible on my 2009 taxes for the 15,000 credit version?
February 11, 2009 3:43 PM
IT DOESN'T MATTER - THEY ELIMATED THIS $15,000 TAX CREDIT... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
February 11, 2009 4:09 PM
The credit has not been eliminated. It is still at the original $7500, but is now a true tax credit in that it does not have to be paid back. It has also been extended by 1 year. Overall a good outcome.
February 11, 2009 5:36 PM
Any idea whether or not the credit will be refundable?
Just found this blog the other day - good work. I look forward to reading more from you.
February 11, 2009 5:40 PM
Hey Andy, I close on my house on 13 Feb 2009. I just filed my taxes on 3 Feb 09. I claimed the 1st time home buyer credit and received an extra 7,500 to my federal return. Will I be able to file an amendment to my return being that I qualify for the 2009 credit.
February 11, 2009 5:47 PM
Andy, I forgot to explain that I wish to file an amendment to receive the difference from the original 7500 I just filed compared to 11,490(10%) I would get under the stimulus changes.
February 12, 2009 12:56 AM
So let me get this correct - This tax credit is only for someone who has never purchased a house before.
Any tax credits for those who have purchased a home in the past?
February 12, 2009 1:33 AM
Man.. I don't know if I would get the new $15,000 tax credit or not. I'm in the Army and I was deployed most of last year. I all ready filed my 2008 taxes and my income was low, less than $25,000 (due to no taxes in a combat zone). I'm in the process of buying a new house now, that fell into foreclosure for $230,000, and I am a first time buyer. I had no tax liability for 2008 what so ever and I got a healthy return. Mostly because I have a stay at home wife and 2 little boys. Can I get the credit or not. I really don't know.
Any advice Andy??
Sergeant Chapman
February 12, 2009 8:40 AM
Dear Andy,
I purchased a home in July 2008. I did not want to take the $7500 "credit" that had to be repaid. Am I still eligible to take the money without repayment? That is, does the 2009 stimulus package apply to those homebuyers who fell under the 2008 housing credit? Any response is appreciated.
February 12, 2009 10:34 AM
Aussiedan - I don't think the tax credit ($8,000) will be retroactive. The exact dates are still to be revealed but if it is like the other ammendments it will take affect from Nov 2008 onwards. However, you may be able to benefit from the repayment exemption when you do your taxes this year. I'll update when more details are revealed.
Anon - The amount is only $8000. See my above response.
Toby - The credit is real cash in your pocket, ie no repayment required.
Anon (after Toby) - The credit is only $8000, so you may be able to get the extra $500. Once the president signs the final bill, the IRS will issue instructions. See what they say (or check back here when I update the information)
Anon - The credit is for new home buyers or those who have not purchased a primary residence in 3 years. The name of the credit is a bit misleading.
Sergeant - Per my update the credit is $8K now. You will be eligible for the credit if you buy a house this year, but you may only get in your 2009 (next year's) tax return.
February 12, 2009 10:37 AM
I applied for the Credit for a home i bought in 2008. Under the senate version of the bill, will i still be forced to pay the 7500 back or will it be included in the plan to revoke the repayment?
February 12, 2009 11:36 AM
If we bought in July of 2008, but have not used the credit, can we use the new proposed credit?
February 12, 2009 1:29 PM
Ok I am sorry but I don't think that this will help our economy much. We are giving people who just bout new homes more money, but what about the people who have owned their homes for years that are being forclosed on and are struggling. I think that it could have been a little more thought out. I am not really sure what they are expecting the out come to be beings that we all know people don't spend $ the way the government thinks we should.
February 12, 2009 2:30 PM
To qualify, the purchase has to be made between January 1 and August 31, 2009! Though the time frame may be extended before the bill is finalized. Looks like houses bought last year will not get the extra $500.
February 12, 2009 3:16 PM
Hi - Are they revising the timeline for 2008 as well?
I purchased my house on 4th April 2008 ( 4 days before the current timeline). Is that going to be changed as well? In other words any chance I would get the benefit?
February 12, 2009 4:45 PM
I just bought a house on Jan. 30, 2009. Can I claim the $8000 tax credit on my 2008 tax return like I could with the original $7500 credit? I have not yet filed my 2008 return.
February 12, 2009 5:32 PM
I guess I won't have any choice in the matter, since it looks like the bill is going to pass tomorrow, but I may be able to close on my house next week and I was trying to figure out if I should close before or after the bill passes. My question is whether or not this $8,000 "credit" is refundable (giveaway) or not (only up to the amount of your tax liability)?
February 12, 2009 5:33 PM
***sorry, I meant before or after the President signs the bill, which if it passes tomorrow, he will sign it on Monday.
February 12, 2009 5:57 PM
I see that the article now says that it is refundable, but I have another question. I used the USDA Rural Development program to acquire financing and got a 100% Loan. I have seen some verbiage on the Senate's $15K proposal that said only buyer's who paid at least 5% at closing would be qualified. Does anyone know if that will be true of the $8K credit?
February 12, 2009 11:54 PM
I was told that as it stands now with the current 7500 credit that you can ammend your 08' return if u have filed and get the return...my question is that if/when this bill passes and we close on a house within the next month or so will I still be able to ammend my 08' return or will this new bill only be for 09' return. any information is appreciated. thank you.
February 13, 2009 11:39 AM
same as Jamie above - I am interested to know if the credit will be available to those putting down 3.5% as per FHA loans or if a 5% downpayment is still required ??
Kevin
February 13, 2009 12:18 PM
Just to try and answer a few questions. Also note that as the credit is still not finalized details are subject to change, so my answers are based on what information I could find as of now.
- If you used the original $7500 HO credit, you cannot claim the $8000 in addition. You may however be able to claim the additional $500 and the exemption from having to pay it back. It depends on how the IRS rules on the retroactive credit and eligibility. This will only be done after the President signs the bill.
- You should be able to claim the credit in this years tax filing assuming you bought the house in the qualifying period (stated in the post).
Jamie - The current limit is 3.5% and the senate proposed to raise it to 5%. However, if you have got your loan through other government programs I am sure there will be exemptions to the down payment requirement. Mind you, if you are buying a home normally there will most likely be some downpayment required. Again, will have to wait for the bill to be signed by the president and for the IRS to make a ruling. I will update as soon as I hear something.
Paul - You may be able to ammend your return if the bill passes in time. If passed by the end of the month, the IRS will issue ammendment rules. Otherwise you will have to wait till 2009.
February 14, 2009 1:20 AM
Your post is so helpful... I am buying a home with my husband and my mother-in-law. My husband and I are first-time homebuyers, but my mother-in-law is not. Can my husband and I still claim the $8000? Even though the title of the house is under all three of our names, my husband and I are first-time homebuyers. Is there any details about this yet? Thanks for all your help
February 14, 2009 3:00 AM
I read an article that stated if single the $8,000 would not apply but would only get half. Is this true? I bought a house Jan 09.
February 14, 2009 11:30 AM
My inquiry is about buying from a relative. Is there exceptions to that rule, since i have planned to buy my parents house as they move into their newly built one?
February 14, 2009 12:27 PM
WHEN I FILED TAXES I ACTUALLY OWED LIKE 1800, SO I CLAIMED THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER CREDIT. I PURCHASED MY HOME ON JAN 15TH. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE 18,000 BACK THAT I PAID IN TAXES. ANY HELP?
February 14, 2009 3:12 PM
Kristal. Tricky question and you will have to wait till the bill is finalized before getting the exact details. However, based on my current understanding all the home owners have to be new purchasers or have not bought a place in the last 3 years. If none of you have bought a house in the last 3 years you may qualify. But I would wait till final details on the credit are released by the IRS. Sorry for not being specific, but don't want to mislead you.
Anon - As far as I understand the credit is $8K for everyone. Its just that the income qualification for single filers is different to couples. Think of this another way, a house costs the same whether you are a single or a couple. The challenge you could have is that you cannot have 2 people claiming the full 8K credit for the same house!
Anon - If you buy the house from your parents (with the qualifying downpayment) in a standard transaction (ie not a gift) then you should be able to get the credit.
Brian - You will have to wait until the IRS rules if the current tax exemption credit is retroactive to last years grant. So far no ruling on this.
February 14, 2009 5:33 PM
Great info, however i have a few questions. I am in the process of purchasing my first home. My girlfriend and I file separately of course, however i make about 87K yearly while she makes a bit under 30K. Because i am over the limit and will be on the deed would we still qualify? If not could she just request the credit herself? Also have you heard anything more on the Senates idea to promote an interest rate for FTH buyers to 4%?
February 14, 2009 6:37 PM
This thing is confusing!
I am planning to buy a house in 2009 in next cuple of months.
Can I claim for 2007 returns ? or do it in 2008 and 2009 to get 8000$(filing jointly) for each year?
Phani, OR
February 14, 2009 8:17 PM
Hi Andy,
I purchase a house at the end of January 2009. Last year my gross income was $73K but this year I will be $100k. I filed my 2008 taxes already without the $7500 credit.
Should I file an amended return today and get the $7500 credit (really a loan)... and hope that I don't have to pay it back after this new legislation goes through.
Or should I wait to file and run the risk of getting nothing. I say this because it sounds like their is a chance the credit can only be applied to your 2009 taxes. I will make too much in 2009.
What do you think I should do? If I can't get the true credit I would at least like to get the old credit (loan) on my 2008 taxes. Any ideas? Thanks for all of your helpful info.
February 15, 2009 8:59 AM
hi , i bought a new home may 2008 i'm not a first time home buyer do i qualify for the $7500 tax rebate?
February 15, 2009 10:16 AM
HI:
Am I correct that you can choose either the $7500 or the $8000 if you buy a house before July 1 of this year??? Or does the new one become the only option.
Also:
Am I to understand we have to use a 5% downpayment on the house with FHS to get the credit?? We are in the process of buying a house using FHA putting 3% down.
Are we screwed???
February 15, 2009 11:01 AM
Quick question. I am not a first time homowner, but my fiance was when we purchased the house april 12, 2008. It was in both of our names. We have since married, but is he eligible for his half of the tax credit since we were not married at point of purchase? I know I am not. No one seems to know the answer to this question
February 15, 2009 11:20 AM
HI:
Let me clarify the 2nd part of my question above...My iwfe and I are buying a house with 3.5% down on an FHA mortgage.
DO we have to put 5% down to get the tax credit???
I can;t ge an answer to this.
Thanks
Mat
February 15, 2009 1:09 PM
Hi Andy,
My wife and I are first time home buyers and we are looking for our home, we already did our taxes and was told that we could amend our income tax and get the tax credit. I know that the new tax credit increase by $500 and deadline is Dec. 1, 2009. Do I need to be pre-qualify first in order to get the tax credit or we automatically quality? My wife makes $30K and I make $40K, however my wife does not have that good credit but I do, is there any other way we can get the tax credit if we are still working on getting pre-approved? I know that the new bill says that if you stay in your new home you purchase for at least 3 years, you don't have to pay back the $8000, is this correct? I read some of the questions but I didn't see an answer to this question, in order to qualify, do we need to get FHA at 5% instead of 3% and do we need to pay the closing cost and all those fees and then we get the tax credit or we can get the tax credit first and use it for all the fees and down payment? Thank you
February 15, 2009 5:26 PM
Chris - No concrete word on the downpayment requirement, but since the Senate proposal for a 15K housing credit was dropped I assume their 5% requirement was also dropped and that the current 3.5% FHA limit would stay in place. Also, rememeber the FHA loan has certain other criteria to meet which all borrowers may not qualify for. If you get a loan through your bank or broker most likely you will need a 10 to 20% downpayment in any case.
Your girlfriend will most likely be able to claim the credit, but you will need to see a ruling on the details on co-ownership (when the IRS issues the detail rules). The only caveat is that the credit is 10% of purchase price (up to 7500), so because you bought the house together the purchase price eligible for the credit may have to be divided into two.
Phani - If you buy a house this yar, you are only eligible for the $8K credit (assuming you meet the other requirments outlined in the post). Besides the new credit is a $500 better deal than the older one.
Michael. Very tricky question and one that is hard to answer without all your financial details. Firstly congrats on the big salary jump. In this economy, that is great. I think you answered the question yourself. If you won't qualify for the new credit because of your higher income, you should try and get the older credit (which may also be exempt from repayment, depending on final IRS rulings). If you do the ammendment I suggest talking to an accountant or giving the IRS a call as well.
Anon - You qualify for the original $7500 credit, which you can claim in your 2008 taxes.
Matt T - The old $7500 credit expires in June. Besides, the new $8000 is a much better deal so go for that. See me comments above to Chris re the 3.5% FHA repayment.
Anna - Your husband may be eligible for the $7500 credit. This is a similiar problem Chris and his girlfriend are having. If you file seperate returns and your fiance was eligible that I do not see why he shouldn't qualify for the home owner credit. The only caveat is that the credit is 10% of purchase price (up to 7500), so because you bought the house together the purchase price for factoring the credit may have to be divided into two.
OntiverosJ - You meet the income thresholds for the credit so you automatically qualify for the credit, which you can get in your 2009 (next year) returns assuming you buy the house before Dec 1. The credit is not tied to your pre-approval. The downpayment requirement of a FHA loan is 3.5%, and like the above comments will most likely stay in place. If you get a conventional loan from your bank or broker, you will need 10% to 20% downpaymeny in any case - even more if your credit is really bad.
The 8K is a true tax credit which you do not have to pay back providing you stay in the house for 3 years. This is to prevent speculators or "flippers" from benefiting from this credit.
February 16, 2009 9:54 AM
Andy-
I will close on a house March 2nd, and I understand I will be eligible for the credit under the new 2009 rules. I do not plan to file my tax return until I purchase the home because I wanted to include the credit on my 2008 Income Tax return. Will this be allowed?
February 16, 2009 10:06 AM
Yes. Houses purchased this year will be eligible for the credit. However based on the current wording you will not be able to include in this years tax return (which was for 2008 income). The IRS may allow this though. There is another way to get the money this year though - you can adjust your federal tax withholding. Because you know you are eligible for the $8K you can lower your witholdings over the year by that much.
February 16, 2009 10:41 AM
its unfair to have those who bought a house that is eligible to get the $7500 and have it repayed. they should retro the bill. is there any chance for them to retro the bill? we bought the hose nov 18 2008
February 16, 2009 11:27 AM
I am a first time homebuyer. My parents are co-signing on the house. Can I take the $8,000.00 tax credit?
February 16, 2009 11:55 AM
Hi Andy--
I divorced in 2007. We sold the family house in 2008. Because the house was jointly owned in a marriage that ended in divorce, is there any way I could count as a first-time hombuyer in 2009?
Thanks!
Mike
February 16, 2009 12:32 PM
The retro talk is like a fog of war. I purchased a home 10/08 (first time) but have not yet taken the credit of $7500, to be repaid back to the IRS. It seems right now the question is up in the air. Where do we find out if we have to pay the money back or not?
Forget the $500 difference, I need to know if I'm going to have to pay the $7,500 back or if I can wait until next year and claim the credit I wouldn't have to pay back.
Thanks for your help on this Andy!
February 16, 2009 1:03 PM
My husband and I bought our 1st home in October 2008 as well... and now it looks as if we can get the tax credit, but we'd have to pay it back.
I'd love to hear that we could take the credit and not have to pay it back... but at this point, I'm not getting my hopes up...
February 16, 2009 1:28 PM
Same issue as above.. I bought in July 2008 and now my home value has plummeted.
Meanwhile people in my area are now paying less for houses nicer than mine. They are getting better interest rate and now a better tax break. OUCH!
I'm not complaining since it's all a roll of the dice, but it looks like I should have waited.
February 16, 2009 3:39 PM
I read this section of the bill that is being signed by the President today. As it is currently worded, the repayment requirement is only elimated for those who bought after December 31, 2008. How is it still possible that those of us who bought for the first time b/w April 9 and Dec 31, 2008 will not have to repay our $7,500 tax credit? I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but it seems highly unlikely that I'll be able to keep the money. Do I have any reason to be optimistic?
February 16, 2009 4:06 PM
Hi,
is it possible....
I am about to buy my first home and meet all the qualifications. I was wondering if I can claim the credit on my 08 return for the home I am about to purchase, as I would love to get some more cash to put towards closing/downpayment.
-John
February 16, 2009 5:08 PM
Yah ok so i don't seem to think that all is fair in this bill. Yes My husband and I make maybe 75k a year, and yet because we do we couldn't get this chance to get a home of our own. We have rented many years by 2 co. and never been late once . Our rent is 800 a month. WE may not have the 20% down , but also pay all expenses per month on time. So tell me how is it helping honest , hard working couples, who actually diserve a chance for having there own home. Mind you i am not made at renting, but would be nice to paint, landscape and all the other home things i likie to do, lol .
February 16, 2009 9:05 PM
Anon - Retro'ing the previous bill can only be considered once the current bill is passed. The IRS will make a ruling and it may well make the previous home buyer tax credit exempt from pay back. Will have to wait and see.
Anon - If you parents are co-signing the loan, but the house deed is in your name you will be able to get the credit. Or else the purchase price will be apportioned based on the number of owners on the deed. This reduces the amount of tax credit you may recieve.
Anon - I don't think you would qualify because to be classifed as a new home owner, you should not have purchased a primary residence in the last 3 years.
Brad - See my first response re the retro talk (the IRS cannot make a ruling until the current bill is passed). You would only be eligible for the first credit given your purchase date. I would still take the credit because it only has to be paid back over 15 years and is interest free. All this should be sorted out in the next few weeks.
Beth - Per the above points, there is hope. Once the final bill is approved (feb 17th 2008), the IRS may review the existing credit and for fairness make the tax exemption retroactive. We can only hope.
John - I was reading today that you may be able to claim it on your 2008 return, but definetly as lower withholdings over the year. Stay tuned for more info on this.
Anon - The bill won't help as many people as predicted because of the income restrictions and current bank restrictions on loans. However what it may do is provide a floor to the housing market, which is root cause of the recession. If the housing market gets stable, so will the economy and credit will become more freely available. This means you will be able to buy a house with less than 20% equity. I would focus now on saving as much as possible, setting your sights on a cheaper house, but look to buy and take advantage of the credit which is available till Dec 1 this year
February 16, 2009 9:26 PM
Hi Andy, I was told by a loan officer that if my mother-in-law is on the loan with me and my husband (for qualification purposes), she will have to be on the title. Is this true? If not, can we get the $8000 credit, because we are first-time homebuyers and my mother-in-law isn't. What is the definition of "first-time homebuyer" in this bill anyways? They cannot currently own a home or have not purchased for the past 3 years, even if they currently own a house? This is confusing.
February 16, 2009 10:20 PM
I am confused on the $8000 tax credit. Is the credit actual money that the irs will give you? Or is it credit to pay off your taxes at the end of the year. The reason I ask is because what if you pay only $1500 in taxes a year.
February 17, 2009 9:19 AM
Kristal - Not sure of your bank rules, but I know banks do require joint title and loans. I would try and shop around to see what other loan officers say. A first-time home buyer is a person or couple who had no ownership interest in a principal residence in the United States during the three years ended on the purchase date of the residence for which the credit is claimed. . So any one who has not purchased a primary residence in the last 3 years would be a first home buyer. You may have to split the credit 3 ways it all three of you own the house.
Justin - The home buyer tax credit is a true tax credit and not a deduction, so will be an actual $8000 reduction on your next tax bill. If you don't owe that much and purchased a house in the qualifying period, you get a check back from the IRS. So if you owe $1500 and are eligible for the $8000, you will get a check back in the mail for $6500.
February 17, 2009 11:22 AM
re: Kristal's question.
Now that the bill is finalized. If I co-buy a house with someone who is not a first time home buyer. Can I claim the whole credit?
i.e. If the home costs 250k, and we're splitting it 50/50; that means I'll be paying 125k, since 10% of 125k is greater than 8k, can I claim 8k, or just 4k because I'll only own 50% of the house?
February 17, 2009 11:27 AM
Kevin/Kristal. I did some more research and assuming the current credit division works like the old home owner credit (which I am pretty sure it will), here is what the IRS says:
"Two unmarried individuals buying a principal residence may allocate the credit among the individual owners in any reasonable manner. The total amount allocated between the owners may not exceed the smaller of $7500 or 10% of the purchase price of the house."
(source : IRS.gov)
So for the current credit of $8000, you can split it along the same lines as long as the total claimed does not exceed the credit.
February 17, 2009 11:59 AM
My husband and I have been looking for our first home for some time
now, and decided to build our first home rather than purchase a
pre-existing one. We began the building process, including closing on
our construction loan, in October of 2008, but we will not move in until
February 27, 2009. We have not filed our 2008 taxes yet, and were
wondering which of the credits we might qualify for.
February 17, 2009 12:16 PM
My father and I both qualify for first time home buyers.
My father had to get the loan on my house that I just purchased, because I have zero credit. The house closes in March. My name is currently not on the loan. Currently my name and his name is on the deed. I can still make changes before closing. What do you recommend?
Note: My father may want to purchase his own home in 2009 and get the 8,000 credit too.
February 17, 2009 2:09 PM
I currently occupy my primary residence I purchased 4 years ago. I am starting to build a home, which will become my primary residence and the home I currently occupy will become a rental. Would I be eligible for the first time homebuyer credit?
February 17, 2009 4:38 PM
Does anyone out there think this totally and completely UNFAIR to those who purchased in 2008? For me, I had the misfortune of closing December 19! So now because of a few days, I am receiving $500 less AND REPAYING the $7500. I feel so....it's hard to say, but it's not fair at all. I mean literally just a few days!!
SOL,
Z
February 17, 2009 4:52 PM
I closed on my house 1/21/2009 and claimed the $7500 tax credit (loan) on my 2008 return. Can I amend the 2008 return and get the $8000 credit that does not have to be repayed? Or does the credit automatically not have to be paid back?
February 17, 2009 10:37 PM
Andy,
I have two very quick questions for you.
First, let me tell you my situation. I purchased a new home (closed on January 20th, 2009). I already filed my taxes and decided to go for the 7500 tax credit (which has to be paid back). I am supposed to receive the 7500 dollars by direct deposit before Feb. 24th.
Here are my questions:
1. Can I keep the 7500 dollars (pay it back) AND ALSO file for the 8000 dollar tax credit in 2010? (I assume not, but hey--thought I would ask).
2. Most importantly, if I can not file for the 8000 dollars in 2010, I know that I need to file an amendment using form 1040x. I am supposed to get the 7500 dollars any day now (by direct deposit)...is it okay to spend the money? Will the IRS just deposit 500 more dollars into my account and then that's it? Or do I need to hold on to the 7500 dollars and give it back to them??
Thank you for any advice you can give. I greatly appreciate it!
Emily
February 18, 2009 12:16 AM
Hi. Wow. Really amazing blog. Thank you so much. This is all pretty hard to understand. I tried to read all your questions and answers but started getting dizzy - sorry if I ask something again.
We (a non-married couple) bought a house in Sep. 2008. We are both first time home-owners. First house ever.
Question:
1. Can we get a credit without having to pay it back if we plan on staying here for more than 3 years?
2. Is it per HOUSEHOLD 8k or is per home buyer? Do we each get 8k or is it the house?
Thank you so much for your help with this!
Alex
February 18, 2009 12:36 AM
My husband and I bought our first home in February of 2008. Our accountant thought maybe he had heard talk that this credit would be back dated to homes bought from January 2008 on. Although after reading over the other comments I am thinking this did not happen. Is there any hope of updates or are we just out of luck?
Thanks,
Ann M.
February 18, 2009 1:05 AM
Andy,
there is an article on yahoo today, stating that if you bought your home in 2009 or planning to buy one, then you can claim for 7,500$ for 2008 returns!!
Is this true?
I am planning to buy my home in August 2009. Please advice.
thanks,
Phani
February 18, 2009 1:22 AM
Thanks for the informative blog!
You say: "They may not have to repay this amount if the repayment provision in the new home buyer tax credit is made retroactive (i.e. is back dated to April 9th 2008). This detail is still to be finalized."
Any ideas when we should start searching for information about this? I feel like an addict checking back here and googling things over and over each day.
Thanks!
February 18, 2009 4:38 AM
we bought a house last march or april 2008. which stimulus plan applies to us? what tax deductions or benefits do we get? sorry for the lack of knowledge. we are new comers from asia and a tad novice in this field. thanks so much for your help...
February 18, 2009 4:41 AM
hi! thanks for the info. anyway, we purchased our first home last march or april 2008, i just want to know what stimulus plan applies to us and what it entails, what are the tax deductions and refunds we can get. sorry for the lack of knowledge. we are new comers from china and we have practically no clue as to how things go. thanks so much for your help...
February 18, 2009 9:41 AM
Cassie - since the purchase date of your new home was last year you would only be eligible for the $7500 credit.
Justin - Firstly you can't both claim the credit for the same home (see my last FAQ in the post). If your father already owns a home he cannot claim the credit in any case. It is tricky whether you would be eligible for the credit given the house is essentially a "gift" from your dad because you are not on the loan. May have to wait for an IRS ruling on this, but based on the current wording you could be eligible for this credit.
woo - No. You cannot have owned a home in the last 3 years. Since you own you current home, you are not a new home buyer under the current rules.
Dan - You should be able to ammend. You will have to repay the $7500 or the IRS may just send you the $500 difference and remove the requirement to repay the credit.
Emily - See my above response to Dan. The current credit is only for new home buyers or those who have not owned a home in the last 3 years. So you will not be able to claim both credits (good try though!)
Your second point is a bit tricky. The IRS may require you to repay the entire $7500 and then issue you a brand new check for $8000. I recommend you hold on to the $7500 for now (put in a high interest checking account) and then wait for the IRS ruling which should come in the next month or so. I'll update the site if I get word of anything.
February 18, 2009 10:59 AM
Does anyone know if the new 2009 tax credit of $8000 apply for somebody who is recieving a tax refund of $5728 for 2008 taxes. I close on my house in april of 2009 and would like to know if I can claim the full credit and amend my 2008 tax file.
Thank you.
February 18, 2009 12:20 PM
Andy,I had a home that was sold in June of 06 but as the part of a divorce that was effective in 2001 I didn't live in the house and sole possession was given to my ex until it was sold in 06. On form5405 the IRS states a first time homebuyer is someone who hasn't owned a "main home" during the 3-year period ending on the date of purchase. On the same form their definition of a "main home" is one you live in most of the time. My question is that since I didn't live in the home I owned would I qualify as a first time buyer. I haven't owned another home during this time.
February 18, 2009 12:31 PM
Andy, I forgot to mention in my previous post that I am buying a home and closing on it tomorrow 2/19/09
February 18, 2009 1:26 PM
Andy, my husband and I decided not to take the $7500 "credit" this year. we wanted to wait to see if we would be able to claim it on our 2009 taxes instead, just in case it was amended sometime this year, and it would not have to be repaid. I just want to be sure we could do this, or are we just out of luck? I know everyone buying homes this year can either claim it now, or next year (depending on their closing date). Also, could we claim the $500 difference between the $7,500 and $8,000 next year?
February 18, 2009 6:41 PM
Alexandria GP: Thanks for the kinds words about the blog. I try my best. I have also added some FAQ's on the most common questions. You are only eligible for the $7500 credit and it currently has to be paid back. However, the IRS may make the exemption on the current credit retroactive, so stay tuned. It is per couple or individual. However you cannot both claim 8K for the same house.
Anon - This has not happend so far. But you may get lukcy if the IRS makes the entire credit retroactive, however I don't think this will happen.
Phani - Correct. See my FAQ on this. However if you are planning to buy the house in Aug 2009 you will probably have to claim this credit in your 2009 return OR if you want it this year, adjust your with holdings.
Oliver - This is a question many people have so I think the IRS will make a ruling on this soon. I imagine in the next few weeks you should know the answer. I will update as soon as I hear anything.
Lesmad - You are covered under the old $7500 credit - see details of this is in my post.
Anon (after my comment) - You will get the $8000 on top of your current refund. File an ammemndment at the applicable time.
Bob - If you were on the "title", you would be classifed as an owner. However you should call the IRS or see a professional tax preparer on the exact distinction between owner and living in the home. You may have a good case to qualify for the exemption.
Anon - When did you buy the house? That determines which credit you qualify for. If you bought it last year, you are only eligible for the $7500.
February 18, 2009 6:45 PM
I recently purchased a home and will be closing in March. I made over $75,000 in 2008. For 2009 I will making under $75,000. Can I claim the tax credit for 2009 taxes rather than 2008.
February 18, 2009 7:49 PM
If I make $80,000 a year, how much will the credit phase out to?
February 18, 2009 8:42 PM
What is the current homeowner credit? Is there such a thing? How do I take it on my 2008 tax return? What are the requirements\restrictions?
February 18, 2009 9:13 PM
Thanks for answering so many questions. This has been a very helpful.
We purchased our first home Nov 24, 2008. We will qualify for the $7500 credit. We will be doing our taxes next week some time. When and IF the IRS decides to make it retroactive that you do not have to pay back the $7500 will I need to do anything, or will they take care of it on their end? Should I wait a couple more weeks to do my taxes, will it change anything that I have to do on my end.
Thanks in Advance
Jason
February 18, 2009 11:10 PM
Hi Andy, I am a first time homeowner, I closed on my new home earlier this afternoon. I went and filed my taxes only to find out that I am getting $7500 for my first time homebuyer tax credit. I tried to tell the preparer that it was $8000. But he didn't change it. What do I do? In researching this on the website it says ALL homes purchased after January 1, 2009 are entitled to the full $8000 tax credit. Should I print the web page and take it back to the preparer? Or will the IRS automatically adjust the refund?
February 19, 2009 12:57 AM
I am getting ready to buy a home from a relative. Is this new law for the 8000 credit have the same rules that apply to buying a home from a relative?
February 19, 2009 2:22 AM
Those who lose the most in this case are the same people who risked the most last year by buying a home in a shaky market before the credit was on the table.
These people have already lost value in their homes, yet they get a smaller credit that requires repayment. Let's demand fairness for all.
Contact your congress reps today. You can find out who they are on www.visi.com/juan/congress and email them directly.
February 19, 2009 2:25 AM
By the way Kristi, I'm fairly sure it doesn't apply when you buy from a relative.
And to all: we have to work for change. They aren't simply going to step up and make the new version retroactive.
Get involved. It takes 5 minutes to email or call your representatives in Congress.
February 19, 2009 12:47 PM
My boyfriend and I are purchasing a home in a few weeks. He has owned a home within the last 3 years however I have not and am considered a first time homebuyer. We are going through the Rural Development program. Will we still qualify for the 8K tax credit?
February 19, 2009 2:59 PM
Ok, If I bought a home in 2008, can I claim on my 2009 return and get the $8000 no payback tax credit? Or will I need to file on my 2008 return and take the $7500 with the payback rules? Thanks !
February 19, 2009 3:16 PM
I don't understand the rule about buying from a relative. Can anyone explain this to me? We are buying a house from my in-laws but we are still required to get a mortgage loan at the bank and we still have to put money down and pay closing costs and everything that is included in buying a home. Why would it matter who you are buying from? That's ridiculous! So I guess I should have my in-laws give their home to a friend and then buy it from their friend. Glad they took the time to think this stimulus package through. Who is benefiting from an extra measly $50 a month??? That doesn't even pay for the gas I use to get to and from work.
February 19, 2009 4:46 PM
Can anyone help me with some information???? I am a single mother who just purchased a home and closed on 1/30/09. I filed my taxes a few days later and claimed the $7500 first home buyer tax credit / no interest loan. Now with the new stimulus package giving a $8000 "true" credit that does not need to be paid back, what do I need to do? From what I have read, I qualify for this new credit, but not sure what I need to do to get the extra $500 and ensure I do not have to pay this money back over the next 15 years!!! Can anybody assist me with information???? Thanks! :)
February 19, 2009 4:51 PM
Can anyone help me with some information???? I am a single mother who just purchased a home and closed on 1/30/09. I filed my taxes a few days later and claimed the $7500 first home buyer tax credit / no interest loan. Now with the new stimulus package giving a $8000 "true" credit that does not need to be paid back, what do I need to do? From what I have read, I qualify for this new credit, but not sure what I need to do to get the extra $500 and ensure I do not have to pay this money back over the next 15 years!!! Can anybody assist me with information???? Thanks! :)
February 19, 2009 5:39 PM
Another question, I have a sister-in-law just starting out who should close on her first home in March. She did however need a co-signer (brother) to help her qualify. all down money is hers (3.5%) any qualifying issues for her on the rebate?
February 19, 2009 8:11 PM
Hi Andy,
Great job on answering so many questions, thanks for the time you are putting in to help. I am sure my question will be answered when I see my accountant, but that will not be till the end of March, so I hope you can help. I closed on my home 02/05/2009, I know I can claim the $8,000 credit on my 2008 return, but can I also claim the other funds paid to close that are normally allowed for a purchase on the 08 return as well ?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
February 19, 2009 8:38 PM
@ Anon - Yes. When you file your taxes next year it will be for 2009 income so you should be fine
@ Anon - You know I could not find the specific maximum phase out limit, but it is probably $100,000 like the other tax credits.
@ Anon - The current home owner credit is $7500 for homes bought last year (since April 9th) and the new one is $8K for homes this year. The post has more details on this.
@ Jason - If the IRS makes it retroactive, then you may need to file an ammendment to get the money back this year or just claim in next years tax return. Either way, there is no need to delay filing your tax return because knowing the IRS the decision could take a while.
@ Bree - I am shocked at your preparer. Very unprofessional given the home buyer credit has been in the news so much of late. Yes print out the new credit rules and if I was you, consider looking for another prepaper. Last year's credit is NOT refundable - meaning you have to pay it back. The $8000 new home buyer credit is a real credit and a much better deal.
@ Kristi - Not sure I agree with what the next commenter (Mommy) is saying. If you are buying the house from your relative will the required paperwork (eg like a standard sale between 2 people) then you should qualify for the credit assuming you meet the other time and income qualifications.
@ Vanessa - You should qualify. Just be mindful if you both buy the house, you may only be able to claim the credit upto 50% of the house value. Not sure about the RD program - worth checking with the IRS on this one.
@ Anon - See my previous comments and FAQs on this. If you bought last year you only qualify for the $7500 credit which currently has to be paid back.
@ Rachel. As long as it is a standard transaction (not a gift) you are eligbile for the credit. You should qualify based on what you have described. The $8000 credit is actually worth about $1000 a month if taken from April this year. That's a lot of money straight into your pocket.
@ Anon/Jessica (single mother) - You will need to file an ammendment to claim the new credit. Wait for the IRS to issue details on this or see an accountant soon to help with this.
@ Anon - No. She should qualify for rebate. However her co-signer cannot claim the rebate.
@ Brian - Thanks. Taking a lot of time, but hope I am helping some folks on this important and valuable tax credit. In response to your question : Some Closing costs (like points) are deductible and some (legal fees etc) are not. Here's some info I found online (just do a google search for the term "are closing costs deductible")
The answer is part of them may be deductible. Closing costs are made up of a laundry list of various charges. They include things like lenders fees, real estate appraisals costs, private mortgage insurance, homeowners insurance, recording fees, title searches and title insurance, as well as many other possible costs.
The unfortunate truth is that most of these fees are not deductible. There are a few exceptions however. These depend on when exactly you buy your house. For example, if you have to pre-pay any mortgage interest as part of your closing costs, that interest will be tax deductible. You may have to prepay if you close on any day other than the first of the month. This is typically the day your future mortgage payments will be due and if your home loan closes on the 15th perhaps, then your lender will require you to prepay interest for the 15 days before the next month begins. Since this is still interest, even though it is included in your closing costs you can deduct it from your yearly tax returns.
If you have to pay pro-rated property taxes, these will also be tax deductible. You pay this when the seller’s property tax payment extends into the month you take possession of the home. At closing, you will be charged for the portion of the taxes due for the number of days you were the owner that month. The government then allows you to deduct this pro-rated property tax that year.
And do not forget about mortgage points! These are deductible. This is a percentage of the loan amount that you pay your lender at closing to basically “buy down” your interest rate. If you are purchasing a home, the total amount of loan points are fully deductible for that year’s tax returns.
February 19, 2009 9:03 PM
Thank you Andy for the fast response. I did the research and was able to determine what I can write off from the closing, my question is, although I bought the home 02 of 2009 can I include the allowable write off's on the 2008 return with the 8k credit or will I have to wait till next year for those deductions....hoping to inlcude them on the 08 return.
Thanks again,
Brian
February 19, 2009 9:07 PM
Andy, when I saw write off's I mean the points, Attorney fee's, survey fee's etc. I realize the escrow on the taxes and the interest will have to wait.
Regards,
Brian
February 19, 2009 11:30 PM
I have a weird situation. I am getting married May 23, 2009. I have never owned a home but fiance has in the past 3 years. We would purchase after we are married. Let me phrase that I would purchase the home all by myself. He has his name on NOTHING with the house. If I amend to 08 will I qualify based on my 08 taxes or because I got married in 09 I will be ineligable. I can't seem to find a straight answer from anyone!I think I am in a gray area. I don't want to get audited in 09 and have to pay back 8000 because we married a month before I closed on the house. Someone help..I even called the IRS!Under the old law they said I could do it because it would be based on my 08 taxes and I was single. But I just don't know now ...
Thanks in advance,
Sara
February 20, 2009 12:08 AM
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February 20, 2009 12:12 AM
hey Andy...Kristi again. The reason I said I might not be able to buy a home from a realtive and still get the credit is that I couldnt get the 7500 credit, that was according to the rules stated on the IRS website. If you find anything out that is definite would you please post..Thanks
February 20, 2009 1:33 AM
Hey Andy, I just bought a house late last year and closed escrow on Dec. 31, 2008, but didn't record until Jan. 2, 2009. Will I be eligible for this years tax credit of $8000 or last years based on when I recorded?
February 20, 2009 11:41 AM
Hi, I saw this FAQs in my local newspapers website - Baltimore sun. I think it can answere some of the questions raised. Hope it helps:
Q. Do we know yet how we claim the $8,000 first-time homebuyer’s tax credit? Are they going to make up a special form like they did for the $7,500 credit last year? Any idea when that form will be available?
A. Form 5405 was issued to claim the up-to-$7,500 credit. I have not yet heard how taxpayers should report homes purchased in 2009 that qualify for the up-to-$8,000 credit. Because first-time homebuyers can treat a credit-eligible purchase made during 2009 as being made on December 31, 2008 (and thus eligible for claiming a credit on the 2008 return), guidance needs to be issued quickly. I assume the guidance will direct homebuyers to use the existing 2008 version of Form 5405, but provide instructions for completing it using the revised tax law (e.g., an $8,000 credit maximum). The form already has a checkbox for taxpayers to indicate that they are completing the form for 2009 purchases. Of course, taxpayers should wait for word from the IRS and not rely on assumptions. This does create the problem of delaying a homebuyer’s ability to file his or her tax return and get the refund that can be spent to stimulate the economy.
Q. Will the self-employed receive any type of Stimulus Bill payment?
A. Self-employed individuals are entitled to the same type of “making work pay credit” as are employees. This credit is 6.2% of earned income, up to a maximum credit of $400 ($800 on a joint income tax return). In general, the term “earned income” includes self-employment income. (An exception applies to net earnings from self-employment that are not taken into account for computing taxable income.) Credit eligibility begins to phase out when modified adjusted gross income exceeds $75,000 ($150,000 on a joint return). This modified adjusted gross income could be derived from wages, self-employment income, investment income, or other sources.
Q. I am 61. Retired. NO earned income. Too young for SS. Have a private pension which I pay tax on. What would my rebate be?
A. Unfortunately, your situation appears to fall between the cracks of two types of benefits in the new law. 1. If you have no earned income, you will not be entitled to a “making work pay credit.” This credit loosely takes the form of refunding Social Security tax payments. Because you are not currently making that kind of tax payment, the credit is not designed to offer a benefit for you. 2. The $250 economic recovery payment is available to only those who are eligible to receive Social Security, railroad retirement, veterans, and supplemental security income (SSI) benefits.
Q. Is the $1,500 energy-related tax credit available for each of years 2009 and 2010, or is it a maximum credit for 2009 and 2010 combined?
A. The aggregate nonbusiness energy property credit allowed to a taxpayer for 2009 and 2010 may not exceed $1,500.
Q. I am married but also a first-time buyer. I did closing on 01/21/09. My Mother co-signed for me on a house. She is the co-borrower. Would I qualify for the ($8,000) tax credit?
A. This query raises too many questions for me to provide a response. For instance, is the mother a co-owner of the house? If so, will she be living there? Is the reader’s spouse a first-time homebuyer?
Q. I took the $7,500 credit this tax year for my home purchase, and I understand that I must repay it over 15 years. However I do not understand what happens if I sell my house in the next 15 years. Must I repay it at closing? I doubt I will want to be here 15 years this is my first home.
A. If you sell the home before you completely repay the credit, any remaining credit repayment amount is due with the tax return for the year in which the home is sold. The credit repayment amount, however, cannot exceed any gain you receive from the sale of the residence to an unrelated person.
Q. We obtained a construction loan in November of 2008. The modification from construction to a permanent loan will be April 2009. Do we qualify for the first-time homebuyer credit? (We have not owned a home in 3 years)
A. The effective dates in the law refer to when the principal residence was purchased. Furthermore, the statute states, “A residence which is constructed by the taxpayer shall be treated as purchased by the taxpayer on the date the taxpayer first occupies such residence.”
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/consuminginterests/blog/2009/02/got_economic_stimulus_question.html
February 20, 2009 11:43 AM
I had a question what form would i use to claim the new $8,000 is it still the form 5405
February 20, 2009 11:48 AM
Andy- in one of your responses you told someone their tax prepare was wrong but i believe you are incorrect. The prior tax credit IS refundable, and that doesnt have anything to do with paying it back or not, refundable means that despite what u owe in taxes that year, you will get a refund check for the full amount of the 7500 credit minus what u may owe. My understanding is the new proposed bill is NOT refundable meaning its a just a tax credit and u only get taxes you owe wiped out, not a refund check, but that may have changed in the new version passed. Do you know anything on this?
February 20, 2009 1:01 PM
Hi Andy,
I've read several questions from first time home buyers like myself who purchased their home in 2008 but prior to April 9th. I'm still confused whether or not we will be eligible for some type of credit. My husband and I purchased our home in Feb. 2008...do we get anything for achieving the "American Dream"...please advise of our options. Thank you
February 20, 2009 1:06 PM
The Irs has not got all the facts for the new homebuyer credit but it did take me to this website http://finance.senate.gov/press/Bpress/2009press/prb021209.pdf and on page 2 it talks a little about it... and has some info about other things in the new plan. Also you can go to www.federalhousingtaxcredit.com and it has some info. Also it says the new 8000 credit is also refundable.
February 20, 2009 1:13 PM
Jacqueline I am glad you wrote this about last year's credit. It was refundable and it does not have anything to do with whether you have to pay it back or not. If it was non refundable that mean if you owe 1000 then you only get 1000credit towards your taxes. however if you owe 1000 taxes with the new credit and are allowed to take the full 8000 credit then you will get a refund of 7000 and it will not have to be repaid ( unless you dont live in the home for a specified period of time)...THANKS
February 20, 2009 2:25 PM
Thanks Andy, the $50 a month I was referring to was the $800 for married couples spread throughout the year not the home buyers credit. Sorry for the confusion. Under the old home buyers credit of 7500 on the IRS site it said you would not qualify for purchasing from a relative so I assume the new credit would be the same. I understand if it is a gift why it wouldn't qualify. No response necessary, just thank you for answering all our questions!!
February 20, 2009 9:08 PM
Quick question. If I am filing my taxes and with all other deductions accounted for(less the $8000 credit)I would recieve a $3000 dollar refund. With the new tax credit, would I actually recieve $11000? Or, would I simply recieve up to the $8000? Any help on sorting this out would be great!!
February 21, 2009 12:11 AM
This is the latest updates from the IRS
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5405.pdf
-Ed
February 21, 2009 4:18 AM
So looks like they did NOT make the repayment ruling retroactive for people who bought their homes in 2008. We have to pay it back, argh!
February 21, 2009 1:14 PM
Well, just an update to my related buying experience and I am so excited. Thanks to a poster I found something that specifically helps me understand that I can buy a home from my brother and still take the credit which is GREAT! It states that "Members of your family include your spouse, ancestors, and lineal descendants, but not your brothers, sisters, half-brothers, or half-sisters. " You would think that brothers and sisters would be considered a close relative but boy I am sure glad they are not...Thanks again to all the posters on here that helped me...Kristi
February 22, 2009 2:15 AM
Hi, Thanks for this site! My question is, I bought a home on December 31st 2008. I am a first time homebuyer and my parents who bought and paid for their home 30 years ago co-signed for me. I am the main name on the title and I did not move into the new construction home until January 2009. Would I qualify for the $8000 credit or the $7500 credit and not have to repay?
Thanks!
February 22, 2009 6:28 PM
So if 3 people were to buy a house, two are married and are first-time homebuyers, and the third is not a first-time homebuyer, can the married couple get the whole $8000? I wasn't too clear with the previous posts and the IRS wording. Thanks.
February 22, 2009 7:34 PM
@ Brian - Along with the home owner tax deduction you will be able to write of the allowable credits in 2008. The IRS form (see post for link) covers these items.
@ Sara - Depends on how you file your 2008 tax returns this year. If you are filing as an individual and meet the other criteria you should qualify for the credit. Most of of the old IRS rules for the credit (apart from repayment) have carried over to the new credit, so I think you should be eligible.
Kristi - Yep, based on recent info from the IRS you are still not eligible for the credit if you bought from a relative. However see what type of relatives are excluded and like another commenter you may still qualify.
Anon - You should, but call the IRS to confirm as this is a gray area.
Anon - Thanks for the FAQ's. I have updated this post with the IRS rules which covers most of these points as well.
Anon - Yes form 5405 (see updates to the main post) is the one to use.
Jacquline - The prior credit is really an interest free 15 year loan. You are correct that you get a 7500 check, but from 2010 you will need to start paying it back. If is refundable, but not a credit. The new bill also gives you a refund check of $8000 (less your other tax liabilities).
@ CFH: sorry, apart from the standard interest payment deductions you are not eligbile for any credit that I know off.
@ Kristi - Thanks for the link. I think I covered most of that here and more with the IRS ruling updates.
@ Anon - You would get $11K. The 8K or 10% of purchased price (which ever is lower) is purely a credit and you get all of it back.
Thanks ED - great link and I have updated the post with the pertinent information.
Oliver - Yep. Not fair I think, but them the breaks in life.
Kristi - Thanks for the update Kristi and glad to see you are eligible for the credit. The IRS works in strange ways when it comes to rules.
@Laura - Based on the new IRS rulings, the move in date for a newly constructed home is the purchase date so looks like you qualify for the $8K credit. Just remember though that the purchase price needs to be divided by all those on the title so you may not get the full 8K back if 10% of the divided purchase price is use to calculate the refund.
@ dav - No. I think you have to apportion the purchase price in a fair and reasonable manner according to the IRS ruling (see post and form 5405). In your example, 33% each of purchase prices is what each tax payer can claim the rebate against.
February 23, 2009 8:30 AM
I don't think anyone has covered this yet. If somebody has been a co-owner of a house within the previous 3 years, are they completely disqualified from the credit or could they claim half of the 8K, since they only own 50% of a house?
February 23, 2009 12:31 PM
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February 23, 2009 1:11 PM
So if you buy a house from your spouse's parent can you still claim 50% of the credit since it's not your parent? I saw that a brother does not qualify as a relative in an earlier post, can someone tell me where to find that information? Everything I've read includes all family members.
February 23, 2009 9:00 PM
I heard that the defn. of a 1st time home buyer is someone who hasn't purchased a home in 3 years. Is this true?
February 23, 2009 10:10 PM
Thanks for the great information. Question:
We are closing on a home in April 2009. We've already filed our 2008 tax return. Our Modified AGI for 2008 was definitely less than the cut off for married filing jointly. But our MAGI for 2009 will definitely be above the phase out.
Can we file an amended tax return for 2008, claiming the full $8000 using our 2008 MAGI? Or is that not kosher since our 2009 MAGI will likely be too high?
February 25, 2009 1:14 PM
I saw this article today, which confirms that homeowner credit is available in 2008 which was one of my earlier questions
(MarketWatch) -- First-time home buyers who purchase a home this year can now take advantage of the stimulus bill's $8,000 tax credit, the U.S. Department of the Treasury said in a news release on Wednesday.
Unlike the previous $7,500 credit available to this group of buyers, the credit outlined in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 does not have to be paid back -- if the home remains the buyer's "main home" for at least 36 months after the purchase date. First-time buyers, for the purpose of this credit, are those who have not owned a home in three years.
Buyers have to purchase a home before Dec. 1 to be eligible, and the credit can be claimed on a home buyer's 2008 or 2009 tax return. Tax returns for 2008 are due by April 15, but most taxpayers can get automatic extensions to Oct. 15 without citing a reason. (You must pay any estimated tax liability at the time the extension is filed.)
Filing an amended 2008 return after you buy would also be an option for getting the credit sooner.
"For first-time home buyers this year, this special feature can put money in their pockets right now rather than waiting another year to claim the tax credit," said IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman, in a news release. "This important change gives qualifying home buyers cash they do not have to pay back."
Buyers can claim 10% of the purchase price, up to $8,000, or $4,000 for married individuals filing separately, according to the IRS' Web site. The credit starts to phase out for those whose adjusted gross income exceeds $75,000, or $150,000 for joint filers.
The IRS has posted a revised version of the form required to claim the credit, Form 5405, on IRS.gov. Visit IRS.gov's first-time home buyer page.
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development also announced on Wednesday that it will temporarily increase loan limits for Federal Housing Administration-backed mortgages, also in accordance with provisions in the stimulus. The new FHA limits now go up to $729,750 in high-cost areas. The new limit on FHA's reverse mortgage product also has been raised to $625,500.
The higher limits are in effect until the end of the year.
February 25, 2009 10:25 PM
Hey Andy,
Assuming I meet all the criteria to be eligible for 8000$ credit for 1st time home purchase, would it mean that I would get 7000$ from IRS (cash), if say I owe IRS (federal) 1000$ as tax?
OR
my 1000$ of tax would be nullified (max upto 8000$)?
Thanks,
Phani
February 25, 2009 10:42 PM
This may be a year too late, but does anyone know why last year's $7500 credit started on April 9? I bought my first house on March 25 last year - 14 days too early to be in last year's criteria. But this year's credit is a full year. Is there something I am missing or did I just miss out on any type of first home-buyer credit? Thanks - James
February 25, 2009 11:19 PM
Hey Andy, this blog is awesome thank you so much. Two questions:
First is there anyway to claim the $8000 as down payment assistance. (ie closing April 10th, file now and have the cash for the 10th).
Also, my wife is buying the house on her own, but we are filing jointly. Does she get the $8K or just $4K. Thanks Again.
February 26, 2009 9:02 AM
Stephen - If you are a co-owner or owner you cannot claim any part of the credit. The first home buyer definition is pretty tight on this one.
Anon - This is a very get area. If you spouse is also on the title and a co-owner it is unlikely either of you will qalify for the credit if filing a joint retun. However check Form 5045 and call the IRS to get a confirmation (in writing).
Anon - That is the correct definition. See the post for the entire defn.
Los - Yes. Use Form 5405 (link in the post) to file an ammendment to your 2008 returns. The IRS.gov website has information on this. This is Kosher per the IRS website and see what the next commenter said.
Thanks for the info Krystal.
Phani - The $8000 is a true credit mean that dollar for dollar you get it back. So in your first scenario would would get $7000 back if you filed all your taxes at the same time. Not sure about about your second point. If you don't owe any taxes you will get the $8K back as cash when you file your return.
James - That was how congress worderd the originai home buyer credit. Unfortunately you missed out.
Anon - Thanks for the kind words. I do my best. You can only claim the credit after the house is bought. Though if you e-file your taxes, you should get the 8K within a month or so.
I think she would only qualify for 4K because it is a joint return. Further if your combinded income is greater than the home buyer income limits, she will not qualify for any of the credit. This is a tricky one though and I would check form 5405 (link in post) and call the IRS to confirm. It also depends on your other financial information in your return which I do not have.
Also, don't forget to enter the $100 Economic Stimulus Giveaway .A 1 in 10 chance of winning $50.
February 26, 2009 12:34 PM
I'm upset about the 2008 bill. I purchased my house last year, but closed on April 3rd. I was off by 5days. Why didn't this just qualify all homes in the month of April or all of 2008. What's so special about April 8th?
Do you think this bill will be revised?
-Jared Newnam
February 26, 2009 2:09 PM
I wanted to check in and see if anyone else is having the same problem that we are.
We bought our home in July 08 and qualify for the $7,500 first time home buyer credit.
We filed our taxes and were suppose to receive our refund on or before Feb. 17th, however we did not. I called the IRS and was told that anyone claiming this tax credit has been put in an error status until they can figure out what to do to make sure that all claims are legit. She said such as making us send in a copy of loan papers etc. Said it may be the first of April before anyone starts getting their refunds. She said the powers that be did not think this out very well. Hmmmmmm! Andy what do you think, have you heard anything about this?
Anixious to hear from anyone on this!
Lisa in Louisiana
February 26, 2009 11:46 PM
I am a first-time home buyer who bought my home in Oct 2008, eager to buy a home before the timeframe for the $7500 credit ran out, and at the time time, eager to get out of my apartment. I already filed my 2008 return and got my refund just before V-Day. Now, just less than 2 weeks later, I find out that 2009 home buyers will not only get $500 more, but it doesn't have to be repaid? I don't care about the extra $500, but sure would be nice to not have to re-pay it. Seems unfair just because I bought my home in 2008.
February 27, 2009 9:41 AM
As per IRS website (Feb. 25, 2009):
First-Time Homebuyer Credit
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 expands the first-time homebuyer credit to include purchases made before Dec. 1, 2009.
The IRS announced Feb. 25 that for first-time homebuyers who purchase in 2009, the maximum credit is $8,000 and can be claimed on a buyer's 2008 federal tax return.
The credit is claimed using Form 5405.
For first-time homebuyers who bought in 2008, the maximum credit is $7,500 and must be paid back over a period of 15 years.
Return to Tax Provisions in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
My comments:
Pardon my naitivity, but I don't understand how they can do this. Its not fair for those that bought in 2008. I know nothing is fair bla bla bla and well at least you are getting something bla bla bla. But still.
February 28, 2009 9:22 PM
Kristy,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you were to read the tax form 5405, and read where it directs you to publication 544, chapter 2 for the definition of "relative," you'd see that it does include your brother.
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p544/ch02.html#d0e4255
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March 1, 2009 6:10 PM
think it is quite unfair to those of us that have bought our homes and maintained them through all the tough times yet we don't see any kind of help. How is that fair? I personally know that anyone that bought their homes between April and now bought theirs for atleast 50% cheaper than I paid for mine. I am struggling now as my husband was laid off and we have fallen behind two payments. I went to make the payment current today and got told they already started forclosure so we have to pay them an extra 2k for lawyer fees or they won't accept any payment, I had no idea of this. I had just gotten my statement in the mail telling me what I owed as of March 16th and our home will be auction in April if we don't give them a bunch of extra money. I am disgusted at the thought of all of this. Where is MY help? Why does this tax only apply to homes bought between April and July. Why not to any new home owner no matter when they bought it as long as it is their only home ever purchased and they still own it???? I tried to get my company to redo my loan they said nope sorry your home isn't worth what it was originally mortgaged for. I called everyone to try to get help and was told "sorry cannot help unless your atleast 90 days behind" since when was it a good thing to get behind to get help? Why not help me first so I don't get behind. I am outraged that we are completely left out of this.
March 1, 2009 6:14 PM
To the various commenters dissapointed about the plan - I share your annoyance. They should have made both credits equal and have the same conditions.
Unfortunately I don't think it will be revised now that the bill has been signed in to law.
Anon (with IRS issues). I am not surprised that the IRS is having problems with the credit, though I do know that many folks have claimed and got the 7500 credit. If you don't hear anything by April or get a refund make sure you contact the IRS and get something in writing.
March 2, 2009 7:14 PM
I bought a home before my husband and I got married. The home is in my name only (maiden name). I am curious, since my husband does not technically own a home, can we qualify as 1st time home buyers if we go into a new home jointly?
March 2, 2009 11:32 PM
Ok I filed my taxes, unaware of the tax credit, late january. Later on after I purchased my home on Feb 13th 2009, someone told me about the tax credit. So I ammended my taxes, but have not received the money on that yet. Now, I find out that it has been revised once again. How does this affect me? Will I have to ammend my taxes once again? Will I have to pay it back because I filed before it was revised?
March 3, 2009 10:34 AM
Anon - Your husband may qualify for part of the home owner credit. But it also depends on if you are filing jointly and what your total AGI is. This situation is a bit tricky and I would suggest talking with a tax pro, or even better give the IRS a call.
Ash - Hmmm, you have got yourself in a tricky situation. You can file an ammendment for the extra $500 (to get to the $8000) and put in an explanation letter that your credit to be made refundable per the new legislation. I would suggest calling the IRS first (see their website) and discuss your situation.
I'll see if I can get more information on this.
March 3, 2009 10:35 PM
Thank You Andy... I have done much research on this matter and havent been able to come to any conclusion. So looks like that's what I'll have to do, is call the IRS and see if I can get any answers through them. Thank you for your help... and any additional information will be much appreciated.
March 3, 2009 10:45 PM
I gave a question. If I buy a house this year (2009) can I file for the amendment this year or do I have to wait until I do my 2009 tax return.
March 4, 2009 4:19 PM
I bought a house 4 year ago for principal residence. But now we have to move because of the job. If I buy a new house for principal residence before 31 Dec 2009. Could I be qualified for any tax credit?
March 5, 2009 1:29 AM
I am purchasing a home and escrow will be closing in the next week or so, can I claim the purchase before escrow closes or should I wait to file my return?
March 5, 2009 9:16 AM
Anon - You can file the ammendment this year.
Anon - No, per the IRS a first home owner is " a person or couple who had no ownership interest in a principal residence in the United States during the three years ended on the purchase date of the residence for which the credit is claimed" You were the owner of your home so cannot be classifed as a first home buyer.
Anon - Either option is doable. Give taxes are due soon, you might as wait and avoid doing multiple submissions.
March 5, 2009 10:02 AM
Here's a good one for you. I divorced in 2007 and lost my home which I purchased in 1/06 as a result. I remarried in 2008. My current husband has never purchased a home. Since my credit is so bad due to the foreclosure, I will not be on his loan for a home. Will he still qualify for the $8000 tax credit? We have not filed our taxes for 2008 yet, so our status on that is not determined.
March 5, 2009 9:28 PM
Andy..
I posted this question before--but I wanted to wait for some time to pass to see what exactly I need to do.
I closed on my home on January 20th 2009.
I did my taxes early and claimed the only tax credit available at that time--the 7500 dollar one that has to be paid back.
Can I also file for the 8000 one in 2010? If not, how can I go about getting the 8000 credit...
H and R Block told me that you can only claim the 8000 dollar credit on your 2010 tax return--so I am really confused.
Thank you for your help.
Emily
March 6, 2009 12:59 PM
Hi andy,
I am still confused in regards to the co-signer. I am a planning on buying a home and it will be my first home. Since I have no credit my mother will be cosigning but she is not a first time home buyer. If she is on the title can I claim the full $8000 or do we have to go 50/50? If she is not on the title but only on the loan can I calim the $8000? Also does it matter if we I get an FHA loan or a conventional lone to qualify for this credit?
March 6, 2009 1:15 PM
Everyone is asking about amending their 2008 tax returns. My question is how long can i do that, is there a threshold that i cant cross? If i purchase in July of this year, can i still file for the amendment and get a check this year?
March 7, 2009 4:12 PM
Jackie - If you and your husband file seperately, he may be eligible for the $4000 tax credit.
Emily - Since you already claimed the credit you would need to file an ammendment with the IRS to repeal the old credit and another ammendment to claim the new credit. I would suggest calling the IRS hotline (see this site : http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204672,00.html). This is a tricky situation and the IRS is still defining rules for special circumstances involving last years credit.
Anon - If you are a single filer, the credit is noe $4000. I have the updated the post to reflect this, and you will qualify for this.
Jacqueline - You can ammend, but it depends on your stuation. I would talk to an accountant or just wait till your taxes are filed next year. The other option is to adjust your withholdings in your paycheck to get your credit that way.
March 7, 2009 7:07 PM
I am buying an apartment that is currently under construction. I've already paid 10% of the price but the closing is in January, 2010. Am I going to be able to benefit from the 8000 credit?
March 8, 2009 10:21 PM
We have seen similar scenarios but.... my husband purchased a home 4 years ago, we were married 1 year ago and I am stuck in the house he bought. The house is in his name only. We are looking to buy a new home, if we put the house in my name would we qualify for the tax credit? What about if we file separately instead of joint in 2009?
March 9, 2009 12:02 PM
We are closing on our very first house next month. This house is renting out by the current owner at this moment. We would like to rent out the house to the current tenant for another half year after closing, and we will move into the house from the apartment at the end of this year (2009.) Are we still eligible for $8000 tax credit?
March 9, 2009 12:38 PM
Emily - I found an updated answer that will help others who purchased a house this year, but claimed the old credit. Looks like the IRS will solve the problem for you:
"If you qualified for the $7500 and the IRS accepts your amended return you will get the $7500. This new amount for the home buyer's credit is too new for the IRS to have it in their system. You would only get the $7500 or the $8000 but not $7500 plus another $8000.
Now, I am assuming that you purchased the house in 2008 and not in 2009. If you bought it in 2009 then it is too early to file and if you bought it in 2009 and tacked it onto your 2008 taxes then the IRS will most likely disallow it if you accurately reported the date of the purchase."
Anon - No, the credit is only valid for purchases - which is the date of move in for new construction - before Dec 1. You may want to work something out with your builder to close before Dec 1.
Anon - You would technically qualify, but if you are filing a married, but seperate return you would only be entitled to $4000.
Anon - You have to live in the house for 36 months to qualify. You will probably be able to get the credit, but if the IRS audits you they could fine you because the credit is meant to be applied to your "primary' residence for the year. Be careful with this one, though with the amount of submissions for this credit I don't the IRS will have the resources or time to follow up.
March 9, 2009 4:40 PM
Do you know if "first-time homebuyer" (for the $8K tax credit) is still defined as not owning a home in the previous 3 years? My husband and I are currently buying a house. We sold our previous home in July 06, and have been renting since then. We would be eligible for the new credit in July 09, if the 3-year requirement is still in place. We will probably close on the house we are buying in April 09, about 3 months shy of the 3-year requirement. Would there be any way for us to claim the credit?
March 10, 2009 8:01 AM
Does anyone know if I am eligible for this credit if I went thru Maine State Housing, a program that is financed by govt. bonds?
March 10, 2009 1:16 PM
Thanks andy for your response. But i'm still confused. I'm about to buy a house my first time with my mother being a cosigner who is not a first time home buyer. If she is only on the loan can I then claim the full 8000 or is it still 4000only?
March 10, 2009 9:10 PM
I bought a house last year and qualify for the 2008 tax credit. I've already filed my 2009 tax return. Can I use the 5405, and still get my tax credit, or did I screw up by already doing my taxes, and not realizing I qualified for the tax credit?
March 11, 2009 12:57 PM
my husband are looking to buy a home before dec. 09 so we can get the tax credit and is it true that we wont have to repay it?
March 11, 2009 3:47 PM
If our son or daughter should try to purchase their 1st home this year, neither would probably qualify for a conventional loan. If my husband and I became the bank for them and they then would make payments to us, would they qualify for the credit. If I am understanding correctly from previous posts, to receive the $8000 credit their name would have to be the only one on the title and I am not sure that is even possible or we would want that. Can you offer any more info on this?
March 13, 2009 3:09 AM
My mom lives with us in our house. she has no income and we claim her as our depandent. If we co-sign her to buy her first home and make mortgage pmt for her, can she file a return to receive $4000 rebate check from IRS? --Allen
March 13, 2009 9:01 AM
Is there any provision benefiting homeowners like me who are on fix and limited income, and are paying back more than $2,000.00 including penality to the IRS every year since 2007?
March 13, 2009 4:33 PM
I appreciate all the advice. I'm in a weird situation like Sarah above. I'm planning on purchasing a home in May of 2009 with my fiance. We'll be married in June, 2009, so unmarried when we purchase the home together. She has owned a home. I have not. Are we considered married for the entire tax year if we file together? Meaning, can I claim the $8,000 for this year's taxes since I purchased the home with someone who I wasn't married to at the time but later married in the same fiscal year (and best to file separately)? Or is it best to amend last year's taxes so that neither of us are married at the time? An odd scenario, but this could really help us out....
March 14, 2009 3:27 PM
Anon - I think you should try and delay your closing to get the credit. Once you close, you are technically the owner so will not qualify for the credit. You can try and claim the credit, but could be caught out if audited.
Anon - Not sure. Check the IRS website and form 5405, but I do remember something about loans financed by bonds being exlcuded.
Anon - I think you will only be enttiled to $4K, because you are not the only owner.
onebadcamaro - You can file an IRS form to ammend returns. Per the irs.gov site -
Do file an amended return if your filing status, your income, your deductions or credits were incorrect. Use Form 1040X (PDF), Amended U.S. Individual Income Tax Return, to correct a previously filed Form 1040 (PDF), Form 1040A (PDF), Form 1040EZ (PDF), Form 1040EZ-T, Form 1040NR (PDF), or Form 1040NR-EZ (PDF).
If you are filing to claim an additional refund, wait until you have received your original refund (you may cash that check). To avoid penalty and interest, if you owe additional tax for a current year amended return, file Form 1040X and pay the tax by April 15 of the current year. If the due date falls on a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday, the due date is delayed until the next business day.
Anon - Yes. The $8000 tax credit does not have to be repaid.
Anon - No. You cannot buy a house from a relative. By cosigning their loan you may have a shared title which reduces the home owner credit claimable. I suggest talking to an accountant given your potentially complex situation.
Allen - This is a very gray area because you are circumventing the purpose of the credit. She may be able to claim $4K, but I would tread very cautiously here.
Francois - Not that I know of. However under obama's housing plan (see my post on this) you may be able to refinance to a much lower interest rate.
Todd - If you file as married, then you will not qualify for the credit. However, file seperately and you may get $4K. Again, given the complexity of the situation and not knowing your other finances, I strongly suggest you talk to a tax professional.
March 17, 2009 3:16 PM
I am purchasing my first home next month and just spoke to an accountant who told me I could only qualify for the tax credit on my 2009 taxes. He also said that if I apply for the $8K credit the government is going to tack on an extra 6% of my property taxes for the next so many years. So my questions are...Can I not amend my 2008 taxes if I close prior to 4/15 and still claim the credit this year? And...Is this man crazy, because I have yet to read about or hear from anyone on this 6% increase in property taxes?
March 19, 2009 10:11 AM
I purchased a home in GA in July of 2006.
I lost my job shortly thereafter and was unable to find a full time job until I finally left and found one in NY in November of 2008. I continued to pay my mortgage on the house until November of 2008 but with rent in NY I was unable to keep up with my mortgage payments for the house in GA and pay rent in NY. I am working with my lender on a Deed in Lieu of foreclosure right now and waiting for approval. However, with this new ta credit and help for homeowners I'm wondering if I can restructure the mortgage for the house in GA, sell it and purchase another house here in NY. I'm a veteran and now make $68K a year. There are an abundance of programs here in NY and I don't know how the Deed in Lieu or an actual Foreclosure will affect me now and inthe future. Thanks for your help.
March 19, 2009 4:23 PM
Probably addressed this one a few time now. Has the re-payment portion of the 2008 &7500 tax credit been repealed? will it be repealed?
March 21, 2009 3:50 PM
Here's a recap of a question I recieved from a home buyer, which is similar to a number of other questions I have recieved, so thought I would post it here. All names removed.
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I am looking to purchase a home this fall (before the Dec 1 cut-off date) but am not sure if I qualify for the first time home buyer’s credit for 2009. In July of 2004 I bought a house with my then boyfriend. Although we are still very good friends the relationship didn’t work out and on January 30th, 2007 we filed a quick claim and had my name taken off the mortgage. He bought me out of the house and continues to reside there. While we were living together we filed separate tax returns and he took the tax deduction for the house every year.
In order to qualify for the credit you cannot have purchased a primary residence within the past three years. Under this rule I miss this by 60 days. However, is there a loop hole that I could use since I never claimed the house on any of my tax filings? Is there a possibility that I could still qualify for the 2009 tax credit?? Any help that you could give me would be appreciated.
Here's my answer
This is a tricky situation. Technically you were a home owner until Jan 2007 (when you were still on the title), and like you said you miss the qualification period by 60 days. I am not an accountant and don’t know your full financial situation, but I would say that there is a decent chance the credit could be extended into next year if the housing market does not improve.
So I would wait till I file my taxes until next year to see what the current status of the credit is (before claiming it). If it has not been extended, then you can try and still claiming it. The IRS may reject it based on your past records with them (eg did you claim mortgage insurance deductions etc). However there is as a good a chance they will pay it to you. The caveat being that, if you are audited then you may have some explaining to do.
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Now to the other commenters:
Coop: I have not heard about this "6%" property tax. This seems rather strange - does your accountant have any IRS info to back this up or do you have a special mortgage. Form 5405 for claiming this credit does not seem to have anything on this 6% tax. Unless your accountant can produce some official doco on this property tax he is ahem, giving you some misleading advice.
Anon - Tough situation and I don't think you would qualify for the new home owner credit because you owned a home in the last 3 years. You may however be eligible for refinancing under the new Obama housing plan. See my articles on this (links on the top sidebar).
A Lang - No. 2008 credit rules around repayment and amount still in place.
March 24, 2009 1:32 PM
Hi Andy,
I'm trying to file my tax and looking at the $8000 tax credit. Basically, I bought a house recently, in February 10, 2009. However, I bought it in another city as a second home because I work in different city. I am currently renting. This is the first home that I've ever bought, so I would consider myself as a first-time home buyer.
Do I qualify for the First-Time home buyer? I read that it has to be my main home. On paper, this new home is bought as a second home because it's not in the same city that I currently work in. All my tax information and bills go to the new home that I just bought.
March 24, 2009 7:37 PM
Hello, there are a lot of questions about co-signers, but none as complicated as mine, hopefully you can help me. My parents bought a house about 4 years ago, I co-signed on the loan with them because someone told me it would improve my credit so I could buy a house later (Stupid). My parents paid all down payments, fees and every mortgage payment completely on their own, but i'm still a co-signer. I got married and moved out 7 months ago and have been renting ever since. My wife and I just bought a house, closed in March, my parents co-signed so we could qualify. So all 4 of us are on loan and title of the new house. My wife has never owned, my parents own, I am co-signer on my parents house but don't really own it. Purchase price was 260,000 (My wife is a student and has no income if that matters, but is on the loan and title, and has never purchased before) Who can claim the credit and how much?
March 26, 2009 6:38 PM
Ferus - The credit is only for your primary home. Technically you could say that since your main is going to your new home, this is you permanent home. If you declare you residence as your new home when filing your taxes you should be able to claim the credit as well.
Tim - As you were probably on your parents' orginal houses title, you are no longer a "new" home buyer so will not qualify for the credit. In terms of your wife, the IRS says "For purposes of the credit, you are considered to be a first-time homebuyer if you, and your spouse if you are married, did not own any other main home during the three-year period ending on the date of purchase."
So you may have ruled your wife out. However if she files seperately, your wife may qualify for 25% (4 owners on title) of the credit since she is a new home owner. The key comes to how you file your tax return - joint or married filing seperately. Given your complex situation I would talk to an accountant.
March 26, 2009 7:50 PM
Just found some more information in regard to the above answer (updated post with this). For married couples, the credit is not really in their favor unless both are first home buyers:
If you have not owned a home in the past three years but your spouse has owned a principal residence, neither you nor your spouse qualifies for the first-time home buyer tax credit. However, unmarried joint purchasers may allocate the credit amount to any buyer who qualifies as a first-time buyer, such as may occur if a parent jointly purchases a home with a son or daughter. Ownership of a vacation home or rental property not used as a principal residence does not disqualify a buyer as a first-time home buyer.
So think about when you get married and when you plan to buy a house because of the financial implications.
I also recieved a question asking how this credit can be claimed. From the Federal Housing Tax Credit site:
Participating in the tax credit program is easy. You claim the tax credit on your federal income tax return. Specifically, home buyers should complete IRS Form 5405 to determine their tax credit amount, and then claim this amount on Line 69 of their 1040 income tax return. No other applications or forms are required, and no pre-approval is necessary. However, you will want to be sure that you qualify for the credit under the income limits and first-time home buyer tests. Note that you cannot claim the credit on Form 5405 for an intended purchase for some future date; it must be a completed purchase. If you have already filed, then you file an ammendment to get the credit this year.
March 26, 2009 8:14 PM
how do i file an amendment to get the remaining $500. I already filed my return this year.
March 29, 2009 5:47 PM
I am a first time home buyer and I am using my dad as a co-signer, will I be eligable for the tax credit even though I am married and my husband owned a home over 2 years ago. He owned the house before we got married and I am getting the house in my name and my dad as the co-signer, he won't be on the loan at all, so can I still qualify?
March 30, 2009 9:27 AM
To all of you complaining about buying in '08 as opposed to '09. Keep in mind there are those of us who bought in late '07, paid about 50-60,000 more than our houses are now worth and can not file for either credit. Just a quick question. What about refinances, if I refi now will I qualify for the tax credit or am I totally beat out of both credits because I bought in 2007?
March 30, 2009 2:58 PM
Andy,
Thanks so much for your very informative blog and comments!
Question: in order to qualify for the 1st time homebuyer (3 year) rule we have to wait until July 09, but the house is ready to close now (March 31st 09). Can we put the house in my brother's name now, then "buy" from him in July for a nominal fee we give him of $1000 or some such amount? Thanks again!
April 2, 2009 6:00 PM
As I understand it, this credit is for "new or existing homes," but to get more specific, if you build a home are you getting the credit on the lot and the home, or only on the home itself? From what I've seen, lots are so expensive that after that and the site work, I won't have much left for something to live in, so...I was planning on getting an old mobile home. The home itself would be a minority of the total purchase -- quite possibly even less than $8,000! (Although it may well cost more than that to have it set up.) Whereas the lot would probably be over $100,000. So if they were figuring from the price of the mobile home only, I guess I would be out of luck.
April 6, 2009 1:06 PM
Question: is a single-wide mobile home considered "real" property? I know the FHA doesn't consider it as such. I bought a singlewide mobile home in 1996 as a single person and my husband (first time home buyer) and I purchased a stick-built home in December 2008. Can we take the 7500 credit?
April 10, 2009 5:16 PM
This question has been asked, but I am still not clear. I've been divorced almost 3 years...will be exactly 3 years in July '09. I moved out of the house in June '09. My name was not on the home loan but was included in some of the paperwork of the house. Am I still considered a home buyer though I didn't take out the mortgage? I am wanting to put an offer on a house now, but don't know whether it is safer to wait until exactly 3 years since the day of the divorce have passed, to close?
April 10, 2009 5:45 PM
Question:
I am buying my grandfathers home but am paying full market price as determined by an independent appraiser.I am purchasing the home from the estate headed by my aunt. Do I still qualify for the stimulus program?
April 10, 2009 5:45 PM
Question:
I am buying my grandfathers home but am paying full market price as determined by an independent appraiser.I am purchasing the home from the estate headed by my aunt. Do I still qualify for the stimulus program?
April 13, 2009 8:46 PM
Jeri - /Use Form 1040X, Amended U.S. Individual Income Tax Return, to correct a previously filed Form 1040 or other tax return.
Ashley - see my previous comment. If you have not owned a home in the past three years but your spouse has owned a principal residence, neither you nor your spouse qualifies for the first-time home buyer tax credit.
Josh D - Refi loans are not eligible for this credit. But you should be able to get some great interest rates.
James - No. You cannot buy from a relative. Try and delay closing.
Anon - The IRS defines your main home as "...the one you live in most of the time. It can be a house, houseboat, housetrailer,
cooperative apartment, condominium, or other type of
residence.". So your mobile home should qualify for the $7500 credit. Call them (IRS) to confirm.
Charlene - If your name was on the title, you were considered a home owner. The best thing is check with the IRS or your accountant.
Anon - You may not qualify, because according to Form 5405 from the IRS you cannot purchase a house from a relative and still get the stimulus. A related person is your spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents,
etc.), or lineal descendants (children, grandchildren,
etc.).
April 15, 2009 11:07 PM
My parents are giving me a lot this month, which I will use to build a house on for occupancy later this summer. Do I qualify for the credit?
April 17, 2009 4:31 PM
I talked to an IRS agent. Having divorced in 2006, I was confused on whether the date of my divorce or when the tile went out of my name, marked the 3 year no home ownership period. The agent said it was neither, the date the home was no longer considered your principal residence can be used as the 3 year no home ownership period. You just need proof of that date, for me it is my rental agreement for my apartment. Just wanted to provide info for those in similar situations.
May 7, 2009 8:50 PM
i have a question for you, if you purchase the home in 2009 but you ammend your 2008 tax return to claim the credit do you have to repay the money? i have conflicting answers from a tax prepairer and from the irs paperwork that is not listed it just states you can file it in 2008 or 2009.
May 8, 2009 4:18 AM
Re: your last reply (April 13th):
There were two anonymous questions in a row about mobile homes, and I’m not sure if you were replying to hers or mine. Mine was the first one, and what I was wondering was would the credit apply only to the house itself, or to the cost of the lot as well (and maybe even the work for the well, driveway, foundation, etc.)? Basically, it would be like a construction loan, but whereas normally more of the expense is for the house itself, in my case it would be the other way around. If I am only paying $5,000 for the mobile home, then would my credit be only 10% of $5,000, even though in total I would be financing over $100,000?
May 10, 2009 1:15 PM
Andy,
I have been divorced for two years. I just bought my own first house. Do I qualify as a first time home buyer or am I disqualified because my ex and I had a house (which he has)?
May 20, 2009 9:56 PM
Anon - If you get the house as a gift you will not qualify for the credit.
Charelene - Thanks for the update, great information.
Anon - There are 2 credits - the $7500 for homes purchased last year and the new $8000 one in the stimulus for homes puchased this year. You cannot claim both the credits.
Anon - It is for the purchase of the home and land as far as I understand it (not the financing). You should be able to get the credit for the entire purchase.
KarenS - See Charlene's comment above. The date your old house was no longer your principal residence is the date you should use. This needs to be 3 years out for you to be eligibile for the credit.
May 22, 2009 1:30 PM
Andy
If I have not owned a Primary resident for more than 3 years and have rented a primary resident ,but own a secord home in a different state and use 60 days or less per year would I qualify for First time home.
May 22, 2009 8:11 PM
hi andy. we bought a house last april 2008 and got 6% apr. we were informed that we can get 5% if we had our house refinanced. is it wise to have our house refinanced? we were wondering what is the best lending company/bank we can go to and is it possible now to get 4%? thanks again!
May 23, 2009 1:11 PM
Anon (May 22, 1;30pm) - Uou cannot be an existing home owner to claim this credit. However, your current home could be classified as an investment property (since you only live there for 60 days) and under this condition you may technically be a new home owner. I would discuss this with your accoutant as it is a tricky situation.
Anon - Only refinance if your closing costs are less than the savings you would get in 2 years. For example, if your cost to refinance is $5000, and doing so drops your monthly repayment by $300, then it pays for itself in 1 year. Refinancing is a good choice in this situation. However if you only save $30 to $50 a month from refinancing, then it may not be the best option.
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Also here is a quick update from the IRS on claiming the credit:
- First-time homebuyers who purchase a home in 2009 can claim the credit on either a 2008 tax return, due April 15, 2009, or a 2009 tax return, due April 15, 2010. The credit may not be claimed before the closing date. But, if the closing occurs after April 15, 2009, a taxpayer can still claim it on a 2008 tax return by requesting an extension of time to file or by filing an amended return
June 5, 2009 6:33 PM
For the ‘relative’ problem, my ’stepson’ (of 23years) qualifies as being eligible for the credit but my ‘blood’ son (27years old) does not !! Can Someone please explain this illogic to us ? There has to be a creative way to address this discrepancy. Has there been any discussion about eliminating this 'relative' problem. Please help.
June 13, 2009 9:14 AM
First time home owner tax rebate query.
If i buy a home on July 1st 2009 & if i get married on Oct 1st 2009,
During my tax return next year, will i have the AGI range of $ 75,000 to $95,000 as a Single based on the status during my time of buying or a range of $150,000 to 170,000 as a Married filing Jointly based on the status i attain before Dec 1st 2009.
June 14, 2009 9:49 PM
Anon - I agree the credit is not very favorable to relative or couple situations.
Madhava - It depends how you file your 2009 tax return. You can choose either status. If your husband is a high income earner and the house is in your name only then consider single filing to get the credit.
June 17, 2009 1:17 PM
Hi I have a question. What happens if the closing of the house does not go through for whatever reason and you don't end up buying the home? Do you get penalized on the tax credit? If so how much?
June 27, 2009 10:26 PM
One of the rules says that you cannot claim the credit if you "acquired your home by gift." But what if just the downpayment was a gift? Thank you for all this wonderful information, by the way!
July 1, 2009 10:39 AM
My Husband and I bought our first house November 2008. We chose not to do the 7500 tax credit due to the repayment rule. But a couple we know bought their first house October 2008. And they were able to get the new 2009 Tax credit. How can they do that? If that is the case, we will do that as well.
July 21, 2009 11:19 AM
My husband bought our first house Feb 20, 2009. We were told that we qualify for the new homeowner stimulus, 2 mounths later we verified our info was received. But out tax guy (who we used for the first time) was the one to dile the # of the people who confirmed they received our tax info. We still have no money and worst no word to let us know whether or not we will receive any. What should we do now?
July 23, 2009 11:19 PM
Anon (June 17) - You should have only got the tax credit after purchasing the home and submitting a tax return. If not, you will have to return it and if you explain the reason, you should not get fined.
Anon (June 27) - You can still get the credit. However you bank may be wary of giving you a loan unless the gift giver confirms that he/she does not want it back. Because the house is in your name, you can still file for the credit. If more than 12K, the gift giver may need to pay tax on the gift.
Anon (July 1)- The couple in 2008 probably giving misleading information on their return or closed in 2009. Otherwise they do not qualify for the credit. If they get audited, they could be in trouble. It is up to you if you want to take that risk.
Noemi - Make sure you get that confirmation in writing from your accountant. He should have got a IRS receipt number if he filed for the credit. Also you can call the IRS to confirm receipt of the payment. If you feel like your were duped, contact an attorney of your local SBA.
August 1, 2009 3:37 AM
My wife and I usually file separately. This June we purchased a home. The mortgage is in my name, but as per the Lawyer, By NJ law we had to put both names on the Deed. So now I spoke with my accountant and he told me that since my wife got like 8000 this year in her regular tax return, we have to wait till next year and file jointly to get the 8000 tax credit for this house or we could get in trouble with the IRS if we try to get the Tax credit for this new hose this current year. Help please.
August 2, 2009 12:51 PM
My husband and I seperated in November 08, divorced April 09. He got the home, my name is no longer on the title and he was to refinance & take my name off the mortgage. I am buying another home, closing Aug 5th. My question is if I qualify under special laws regarding divorced individuals?
August 3, 2009 5:13 AM
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August 3, 2009 5:20 AM
This question is very much similar to the one posted by Madhava.
I am single male first time home buyer, and I will have a MAGI ranging between $75000 - $95000. I will be getting a house soon when I am single, but will get married later (in about a month after the house is bought, but before Dec1, 2009) to someone who is not working and will be a first time home owner as well. So, the question is, will I be able to get the full $8000 credit if I file married joint return, since if I file married joint return, the MAGI is less than $150000, even though when I purchased the home as single and have a MAGI of more than $75000.
August 10, 2009 11:21 PM
My girlfriend and I are purchasing my parents home, I know I don't qualify for the tax credit, but does she? Or would she have to be the sole party who is buying the house?
August 17, 2009 11:34 PM
Will They extend the tax credit into 2010
August 23, 2009 5:47 PM
3 years ago my mom, her boyfriend and I got into a land contract. A year later I got married to a man whos never owned a home. We would like to get rid of this house and get a new one. Is there any way my husband can qualify for the tax credit?
August 23, 2009 10:15 PM
Anon (Aug 1) - If you wife got a 8000 refund with legit items then I don't understand why your accountant would tell you to wait a year. The IRS has clearly stated you can claim this credit in ammended returns (via form 5405).
Anon (August 2nd) - The problem with the special law is that the eligibility for the credit is based on your individual status. eg if either couple in a relationship owned a house in the last 3 years, then neither qualifies. This could rule you out since you were married in the last 3 years and owned a home. However call the IRS and perhaps you could get an exemption (make sure you get it in writing).
@ Suraj if you file next year, you can claim the credit under your tax status (married) at that time. So file next year to get the full credit based on the higher limit for married couples.
@ Anon (aug 10). She would have to be the sole party.
@ islandstype - See my update to the post below. It is 50/50 now as to whether they extend the credit. If you are ready to buy a house now do so, don't base in just on the credit.
@ Laura - If you are married joint filers, both partners must meet the first-time home buyer criteria. Which rules your husband out as well.